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Old 10th Feb 2011, 11:48   #21 (permalink)
 
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Surely this approach was below minima??? "RVR 350m, broken cloud at 100 feet...."

Is Rwy 17 ILS Cat I or II...?? What is aircraft certified to??
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 11:53   #22 (permalink)
 
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RTE

1133 The aircraft made three attempts to land at the airport, which was experiencing heavy fog at the time.
The second half of the airplane remains turned upside down.
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 11:56   #23 (permalink)
 
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:00   #24 (permalink)
 
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Cork suffers regularly from poor visibility. I think the runway is Cat II.

EC-ITP has been operating for Manx for at least three years now:

JetPhotos.Net Photo EC-ITP (CN: BC-789B) Top Fly Fairchild SA227-BC Metro III by John Fitzpatrick

This is the first fatal accident involving a commercial aircraft in Ireland for many years. Can't remember the last one (has there been one since EI-AOM?)
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:03   #25 (permalink)
 
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Cork Accident

Superspotter "The aircraft involved appears to be EC-ITP of Flightavia. "

May I ask where this information came from?
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:11   #26 (permalink)
 
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:21   #27 (permalink)
 
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Cork also has a smaller (4300ft) 07/25 runway, guess that's what they mean?
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:29   #28 (permalink)
 
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photo showing u/c intact...?
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:29   #29 (permalink)
 
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Flight Avia had 2 Metorliners operating Manz2 routes. EC-GPS and EC-ITP.
From comparison of the photos it certainly seems to have been EC-ITP involved.
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:30   #30 (permalink)
 
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Reports say two crew on board. How does that work? One person flying and one in the back with the punters? Two flying and nobody in the back with the punters? Or a bit of both?
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:35   #31 (permalink)
 
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Cork crash tragedy: four walking wounded climbed from burning wreckage - Republic of Ireland, Local & National - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Eyewitness account says that four pax got themselves out...
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:38   #32 (permalink)
 
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Reports say two crew on board. How does that work? One person flying and one in the back with the punters? Two flying and nobody in the back with the punters? Or a bit of both?
Years ago an Aussie commuter airline hired a 4'6" hostee to be able to do an on-board service - Max cabin height 4' 9"

When the Metro was operated in Sweden 25 years ago, it was mandatory to have ear defenders on every seat
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:38   #33 (permalink)
 
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there is a pilot and co pilot.

there is no other cabin crew. and no in flight service.

the pilot / co pilot do the safety briefing or play a video.
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:40   #34 (permalink)
 
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3 approaches?

Did he declare a mayday? Many places wont allow you to make 3 approaches unless you do.

Wx at DUB looked OK, albeit some distance away.

Single pilot? - V tough job.

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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:40   #35 (permalink)
 
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for clarity.

"manx airlines" no longer exist.

this is "manx2"

no conenction to "manx airlines" or "bral"
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:41   #36 (permalink)
 
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EC is a Spanish registration - would the crew also be spanish?
Regarding two crew - the metroliner seats 19 pax and this does not require a cabin attendant. Thus it was operated with a Captain and First Officer.
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:43   #37 (permalink)
 
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pilot and co pilot on other manx2 some flights have been german

i dont know about the crew nationality on this flight
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:45   #38 (permalink)
 
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There's a spanish flag on the tail!
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:48   #39 (permalink)
 
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Missed approaches

How common an occurrence is it to miss an approach, then come back and make an attempt in the opposite direction?

According to the IAA report (Irish Aviation Authority - Aircraft Crashes at Cork) the initial approach was into RWY 35, then 17, then 35 again.

Is this normal, or possibly indicative of mechanical problems which hastened the subsequent attempts to land?
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Old 10th Feb 2011, 12:49   #40 (permalink)
 
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Chipzilla - the flight would have operated with 2 pilot's only as there is no requirment to carry Cabin Crew on a aircraft fitted with less than 20 seats (air navigation order, annex1, article20 - composition of crew of the aircraft)
- For Public Transport flight's, cabin attendent's separate from the members of flight crew must be carried for safety duties when : - 1) Carrying 20 passengers or more. 2) carrying at least 1 passenger if the C of A permits the carriage of more 35 passangers.

The company would have required there passngers to watch a safty demonstration or a safty video prior to boarding the flight.
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