Polish Government Tu154M crash
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No MEL means the a/c is unserviceable with ANY defect, no matter how insignificant. It is a much stricter rule than operating under MEL. As CO pointed out, not very economical...
No MEL means the a/c is unserviceable with ANY defect, no matter how insignificant. It is a much stricter rule than operating under MEL. As CO pointed out, not very economical...
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German news channel N24 reports that the tower suggested to divert to Moscow and got the reply from the cockpit crew that "the Polish President lands where he wants". (unconfirmed)
As always, you've got to be careful with all the sh!t stuff making the round.
As always, you've got to be careful with all the sh!t stuff making the round.
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Facts:
aircraft involved: Tu-154M reg 101 (http://russianplanes.net/REGINFO/3143)
maintenance status: not known yet
airfield: Смоленск-Северный (military, north of Smolensk, 2,500m rwy)
conditions: low visibility
other: three aboarted landings a fourth attempted landing underway
Possible causes:
low visibility combined with psychological stress for the crew caused by VIP pax
The real cause will be finally found by the investigators.
aircraft involved: Tu-154M reg 101 (http://russianplanes.net/REGINFO/3143)
maintenance status: not known yet
airfield: Смоленск-Северный (military, north of Smolensk, 2,500m rwy)
conditions: low visibility
other: three aboarted landings a fourth attempted landing underway
Possible causes:
low visibility combined with psychological stress for the crew caused by VIP pax
The real cause will be finally found by the investigators.
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The airforce mentality of 'complete the mission
So idea to transport VVIP, on manner different than the most experienced air operators do, is not something that could not accept as a standard,how it should be done.
Regardless it is under military belt or private operator.
Safety has no alternative!
Could a military PIC just be "ordered to land" by higher ranking pax regardless of his own decision?
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Someone has to say this now. If you don't know polish mentality you won’t be able to understand why this happened. To make the story short - they (pilots) had to land, no matter what. That was the matter of their honor. I can imagine the pressure on them... Diversion was not the option. And here we have the sad outcome.
Could a military PIC just be "ordered to land" by higher ranking pax...
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And might be never released to public. We'll get some bull**it blame-the-dead-pilot report instead.
To make the story short - they (pilots) had to land, no matter what.
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In a briefing recently Russian official confirmed parts of aircraft found
already 1-2 km before the crash site.
Witness suggested take off power applied shortly before crash.
Sounds familiar?
This is the LOT Il-62 crash 1980.
Another one:
Date: 09 MAY 1987
Time: 11:12
Type: Ilyushin 62M
Cycles: 1752
Engines: 4 Soloviev D-30KU
the no. 2 engine Low Pressure turbine shaft broke loose, followed by the failure of the turbine disc. Debris punctured the aft fuselage, causing a fire in the cargo hold. The elevator control system was severed and the no. 1 engine had to be shut down.
The same engines as 154M.
already 1-2 km before the crash site.
Witness suggested take off power applied shortly before crash.
The aircraft crashed while attempting a go around ...
When take off thrust was applied, the no.2 engine failed, severing the control cables for the elevator and rudder.
When take off thrust was applied, the no.2 engine failed, severing the control cables for the elevator and rudder.
This is the LOT Il-62 crash 1980.
Another one:
Date: 09 MAY 1987
Time: 11:12
Type: Ilyushin 62M
Cycles: 1752
Engines: 4 Soloviev D-30KU
the no. 2 engine Low Pressure turbine shaft broke loose, followed by the failure of the turbine disc. Debris punctured the aft fuselage, causing a fire in the cargo hold. The elevator control system was severed and the no. 1 engine had to be shut down.
The same engines as 154M.
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Date: 30 JUN 2008
Time: 15:48
Type: Tupolev 154M
Operator: Aeroflot Russian International Airlines
Registration: RA-85667
C/n / msn: 89A825
First flight: 1989
Engines: 3 Soloviev D-30KU-154-II
The nr.1 engine suffered an uncontained failure during takeoff. The aircraft was traveling at 60 km/h (32 kts) when the engine failed. Takeoff was aborted.
Time: 15:48
Type: Tupolev 154M
Operator: Aeroflot Russian International Airlines
Registration: RA-85667
C/n / msn: 89A825
First flight: 1989
Engines: 3 Soloviev D-30KU-154-II
The nr.1 engine suffered an uncontained failure during takeoff. The aircraft was traveling at 60 km/h (32 kts) when the engine failed. Takeoff was aborted.
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I have to disagree. I had a honor to fly on jump seat in presidential aircraft on official mission. I haven't noticed anything but "Lufthansa" standard,if we agree that Lufthansa deserve current top reputation.
On quite a few recent high profile accidents there has been someone on the J/S. Might not have been the cause for the accident, but at least there was distraction from the flightdeck routine.
And, as Andrasz mentioned before, the last thing you need on a troubled approach is a voice from the second row telling you how to do it better...
In a briefing recently Russian official confirmed parts of aircraft found already 1-2 km before the crash site.
:offtopic:
The first thing that apparently was not "Lufthansa standard" on your jumpsear flight was the fact that YOU WERE ON THE JUMPSEAT!