Indonesian BAe146 crash
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Indonesian BAe146 crash
Aviastar Mandiri in Indonesia lost their BAe 146-300 today. The aircraft reportedly crashed into a mountain on its way to pick up the governor of Papua. This is their second accident
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According to Flight, this was E-3189, formerly G-JEBC of Flybe:
No survivors as Aviastar 146-300 crashes in Indonesia
JetPhotos.Net Photo » G-JEBC (CN: E3189) Flybe British Aerospace BAe 146-300 by John Fitzpatrick
No survivors as Aviastar 146-300 crashes in Indonesia
JetPhotos.Net Photo » G-JEBC (CN: E3189) Flybe British Aerospace BAe 146-300 by John Fitzpatrick
Sad times for Indonesian aviation lately. 
Monday, April 6, 2009
24 killed in Indonesia F-27 crash
Twenty-four Indonesian military personnel were killed Monday when their training aircraft crashed into a hangar at an air base in West Java, a hospital source said. The Fokker 27 was making a landing during a regular training flight when it crashed and burst into flames in Bandung, 74 miles southeast of Jakarta, an air force spokesman said. He could not confirm the final death toll but a doctor at the West Java hospital where the victims were taken said all 24 people on board the plane had died.
24 killed in Indonesia F-27 crash
Twenty-four Indonesian military personnel were killed Monday when their training aircraft crashed into a hangar at an air base in West Java, a hospital source said. The Fokker 27 was making a landing during a regular training flight when it crashed and burst into flames in Bandung, 74 miles southeast of Jakarta, an air force spokesman said. He could not confirm the final death toll but a doctor at the West Java hospital where the victims were taken said all 24 people on board the plane had died.
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Wamena is very demanding airfield in terms of go around, climb with 180 very tight turn if I remember right, mountains from all sides but back. Short runway at ~4500ft elevation.
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In 1979 I was at Sentani airport in West Papua. I watched Merpati land a medium sized jet (something like a 737 size). His approach was way too high 1/2 mile or so from threshold but, instead of going around, he just dropped the nose to head for the threshold and flared it out hard at the last minute. I have never before or since seen an aircraft approach with negative angle of attack with respect to the ground.
In around 2002 I was at Dili in East Timor on an Indonesian run plane waiting to leave. There was loud banging coming from the hold. Looking out the window you could see them trying to get the cargo door shut. It was clear to me that the crew were more interested in getting the door shut by any means, violent or not, than they were about damaging the door and causing a flight safety problem, as failure to shut it would have caused an expensive flight cancellation and layover as there were no maintenance facilities at Dili. I was rather nervous as we took off, but all was well.
In around 2002 I was at Dili in East Timor on an Indonesian run plane waiting to leave. There was loud banging coming from the hold. Looking out the window you could see them trying to get the cargo door shut. It was clear to me that the crew were more interested in getting the door shut by any means, violent or not, than they were about damaging the door and causing a flight safety problem, as failure to shut it would have caused an expensive flight cancellation and layover as there were no maintenance facilities at Dili. I was rather nervous as we took off, but all was well.
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CargoOne. yes most airfields around there are demanding due to mountains or jungle. I am not a pilot but as pax, I went to Sentani/Jayapurea, Wamena and a jungle strip south of Wamena. The latter was rather narrow and the Islander’s wingtip clipped the leaves on a tree upon takeoff.
Interestingly there was a lot of freight going inland from Sentani as there were no roads to carry all the cement, etc. needed inland, but almost no freight coming out. So you bought your ticket to go inland and just hopped on any passing plane without a ticket to return. Don’t know whether this system still exists. Must cause insurance problems as how do you pin your injury/death on the operator if you have no ticket?
Interestingly there was a lot of freight going inland from Sentani as there were no roads to carry all the cement, etc. needed inland, but almost no freight coming out. So you bought your ticket to go inland and just hopped on any passing plane without a ticket to return. Don’t know whether this system still exists. Must cause insurance problems as how do you pin your injury/death on the operator if you have no ticket?
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Jayapura is more or less "easy" airport, reasonably long runway and close to sea level, no high terrain on approach/departure.
Don't know about other "jungle" destinations around but there wasn't any problem to buy a ticket to Wamena and back.
Jayapura is more or less "easy" airport, reasonably long runway and close to sea level, no high terrain on approach/departure.
Don't know about other "jungle" destinations around but there wasn't any problem to buy a ticket to Wamena and back.
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A little brusque, perhaps. Reports from the site said that the aircraft struck the side of Gunung Pike Mountain on approach to Wamena Airport and burst into flames. Sounds like CFIT to me. Even on the other side of the world. What we don't know is why it hit the mountain.
A little brusque, perhaps. Reports from the site said that the aircraft struck the side of Gunung Pike Mountain on approach to Wamena Airport and burst into flames. Sounds like CFIT to me. Even on the other side of the world. What we don't know is why it hit the mountain.
Twenty-four Indonesian military personnel were killed Monday when their training aircraft crashed into a hangar at an air base in West Java, a hospital source said. The Fokker 27 was making a landing during a regular training flight when it crashed and burst into flames in Bandung, 74 miles southeast of Jakarta, an air force spokesman said. He could not confirm the final death toll but a doctor at the West Java hospital where the victims were taken said all 24 people on board the plane had died
I have never before or since seen an aircraft approach with negative angle of attack with respect to the ground.
Not necessarily negative angle of attack just a nose low attitude.
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the aircraft struck the side of Gunung Pike Mountain on approach to Wamena Airport and burst into flames.
Case closed.
Cancel the AAIB!
Was it the 'mountain' the 'airport' or the 'flames' that led you too such an insightful conclusion??
What we don't know is why it hit the mountain.
Personally I prefer this kind of approach:
Why? We don't know why the aircraft crashed; we don't know if it was an aircraft or system failure or pilot error. In many crashes the crew are just passengers in the final stage.
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I have landed in Wanema often during my time in IND. The airport is challenging being right in the mountains and at 5,085 ft MSL. Guess the a BAe146-300 is at its limits for T/O. Also the cloud coverage from 1000 onwards can be pretty nasty.
Anybody been there recently?
Anybody been there recently?
Go into Wamena regularly, its great for a Caravan but have always marveled at the BAe 146 coming in.
Obviously everything is speculation until the report comes out, not that much stock can be put in a report from DCCA/NTSC. Apparently the initial scene examination was 'interesting'.
There is no instrument approach at Wamena. Apparently PK-BRD popped out of the cloud was high and did a go-around on Runway 15 (they never used 33 as maneuvering at the southern end for landing would most likely be impossible for a BAe 146 and have seen some pretty stiff tailwinds taken). Where the aircraft impacted terrain is around 500 feet AAE and roughly in the base leg area.
Obviously everything is speculation until the report comes out, not that much stock can be put in a report from DCCA/NTSC. Apparently the initial scene examination was 'interesting'.
There is no instrument approach at Wamena. Apparently PK-BRD popped out of the cloud was high and did a go-around on Runway 15 (they never used 33 as maneuvering at the southern end for landing would most likely be impossible for a BAe 146 and have seen some pretty stiff tailwinds taken). Where the aircraft impacted terrain is around 500 feet AAE and roughly in the base leg area.
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JanetFlight,
It was not a Training Flight as such. It was the training sortie for the Paratroopers, so, it was "training" or "exercise"
for the parachute jumpers.
It was not a Training Flight as such. It was the training sortie for the Paratroopers, so, it was "training" or "exercise"
for the parachute jumpers.