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Old 21st October 2009, 11:20   #21 (permalink)
 
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Took the left one until about 200 ft when it became apparent that the r/w was much narrower than the right hand one. Doubts, then certainty - it was the taxiway. Just time to switch (B757) and land.
Many years ago, you might even get a pat on the back for a good bit of handling - today you would be severely chastised for not going around for a second approach rather than repositioning an airliner onto a different runway at less than 200 feet.
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Old 21st October 2009, 14:47   #22 (permalink)
 
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Hmm, thinking of AF447: maybe there's something in the water in Rio...
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Old 21st October 2009, 15:29   #23 (permalink)
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"By the way... can everyone say Localizer and Glide Slope... oh and Magenta line?"

Sounds like this was a sidestep from 27L. 27R ILS usually isn't up. If they got the sidestep at the marker, probably not time to reload the FMS... or maybe one of them was trying.
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Old 21st October 2009, 16:29   #24 (permalink)
 
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Monom, Very good post...thank you for sharing.
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Old 21st October 2009, 16:46   #25 (permalink)
 
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arriving on a taxiway....

reminds me of an incident at Austin Executive; a Mooney had engine failure high enough to turn back, only to find the single runway now occupied by a helicopter doing pressups, so he sensibly crashed onto the taxiway, (forgot in all the excitement to put his wheels down). Turns out the helicopter was occupied by somebody from the FAA checking out the heli pilot, he presented himself to the fortunately uninjured couple in the Mooney (I'm from the FAA and I'm here to ......give you a ticket for landing on the taxiway). No kidding.

The unkindest cut of all, word had it, was that the young lady in the right seat of the Mooney was not the wife of the pilot.......

Last edited by mary meagher : 22nd October 2009 at 20:43. Reason: FAA, not CAA!
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Old 21st October 2009, 17:12   #26 (permalink)
 
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Did this happen or nearly happen at London Gatwick a few years back on their parallel taxiway??
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Old 21st October 2009, 17:18   #27 (permalink)
 
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Yes; and it has been done to death a hundred times before on PPRuNe.
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Old 21st October 2009, 18:13   #28 (permalink)
 
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Can one of you local ATL pilots confirm that Runway 27R has WHITE lights and the parallel taxiway has BLUE lights?
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Old 21st October 2009, 18:46   #29 (permalink)
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Am I confused - was there not a similar incident somewhere else in the good ol' US within the last year on PPRuNe?
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Old 21st October 2009, 20:48   #30 (permalink)
 
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Ryanair, March 2006

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IT WAS Ryanair that pioneered the art of flying passengers to sometimes far-flung airfields and telling them that they had arrived in one of Europe’s loveliest cities.
So it should have come as no surprise yesterday to travellers on board Flight 9884 from Liverpool to City of Derry when they landed not in the Maiden City but Ballykelly Camp instead — an army airfield five miles away.
Ryanair passengers are also accustomed to not having an air-bridge to get them inside the terminal, but in this case they didn’t even have any steps to get them off the jet. Luckily, the flight’s original destination was close enough for ground-staff to bring the steps by road to the army base
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle699176.ece
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Old 21st October 2009, 21:07   #31 (permalink)
 
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Ryanair didn't pioneer that trick. Try a 707 landing at RAF Northolt in October 1960. I'm sure there are many other examples.
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Old 21st October 2009, 21:10   #32 (permalink)
 
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Let's not wander into other incidents where the wrong airfield was involved and instead stick to the difference between a runway landing vs a taxiway landing error.
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Old 21st October 2009, 23:00   #33 (permalink)
 
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Typically,at ATL, approaches are flown to the outside runways and departures from the inside. If given a side-step to 27R, radios are unlikely tuned and the final approach flown visually. This is much easier to do than we would like to believe. More so after flying all night.
There but for the grace of God...........
Yeah I agree... perhaps for a simulator pilot who is color blind, or perhaps a Tyro.

I have to say, after 34 years of flying combination of long haul, and all night flying, I still find it hard to land on a taxiway...

By the way... can everyone say Localizer and Glide Slope... oh and Magenta line?
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Well...after 43 years..30,000 hours, although I find it HARD to land on a taxi-way, I can see how it can happen...
If it was a sidestep, there was no loc, gs, or magenta line
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Old 22nd October 2009, 00:16   #34 (permalink)
 
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Also, redeyes into ATL often use the inner runways for landing simply because there are virtually no flights departing before 0730.
You overlook the simple mistake that could arise if the outer runway lights were not illuminated and the inner ones were, with the taxiway also illuminated. Simple assumption is that the one to the right is the inner runway, rather than the outer one, as the other runway even further out is not illuminated.

Happened at Gatwick a few times, with operaters who weren't total muppets.
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Old 22nd October 2009, 00:33   #35 (permalink)
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I assume when the guy who is quoted as saying the taxiway to the north of runway no. 27 that he is referring to north of 27R as that is the runway to which I am lead to believe the flight was cleared to land...

If this is the case... am i right in thinking it was taxiway M that was used of the landing ??


I couldn't locate a video of a landing to 27R... but here is a night landing from KATL on 26R

YouTube - Midwest Airlines Boeing 717 Cockpit View of an ILS Approach, KATL

I can only assume 27R has a different lighting format to 26R as it seems pretty clear where the runway is in this vid!!

Any pilots flying around that part of the world can inform us what the 27R approach is like in comparison?
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Old 22nd October 2009, 00:48   #36 (permalink)
 
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Am I confused - was there not a similar incident somewhere else in the good ol' US within the last year on PPRuNe?
Yes, COA did it on arrival at KEWR not that long ago, perhaps longer than a year but not more than two or three years ago.
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Old 22nd October 2009, 01:03   #37 (permalink)
 
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I've heard through the grapevine that 27R lights were out or dim compared to taxiway lights and no ILS up....medical emergency as well...no excuses, just waiting for more details and how to avoid similar pitfalls.
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Old 22nd October 2009, 01:06   #38 (permalink)
 
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I guess that not even the famous Delta "wind check" request would have helped in this one.
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Old 22nd October 2009, 01:23   #39 (permalink)
 
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From Galaxy Flyer:

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At Eastern, we used remind the DL boys about landing at the right airport after several flights arrived at the wrong airport; say FLL instead of MIA, or McDill AFB instead of TPA; there were others. So, at least, they're at ATL.


As I recall the gouge was "We're Delta Pilots and we never make the same mistake three times."

from a rEAL pilot
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Old 22nd October 2009, 01:32   #40 (permalink)
 
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Blue lights ahead

If had not been a 67, I would have bet it was one of those low-life, scum bag, red bookers.
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