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Old 24th October 2009, 04:05   #281 (permalink)
 
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Moroni is not particularly difficult - providing you use all the tools that are available to you to maintain your situational awareness.
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Old 24th October 2009, 21:41   #282 (permalink)
 
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Latest conspiracy theory here.
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Old 25th October 2009, 00:41   #283 (permalink)
 
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If true, the french goverment will also manage this one somehow to get out of it.
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Old 25th October 2009, 04:31   #284 (permalink)
 
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I can´t get that link to work for some reason, so here´s another website quoting the "French missile" theory:

Arab Monitor - Sito di informazione dal mondo arabo
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Old 9th November 2009, 05:20   #285 (permalink)
 
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The Wall Street Journal quotes "sources close to the investihation", as usual, saying it looks like the pilots lost situational awareness and control of the aircraft during the circle-to-land approach:

Pilot Error Suspected in Yemenia Airways Crash - WSJ.com
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Old 9th November 2009, 09:23   #286 (permalink)
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I have made my feelings on the usefulness of the WSJ aviation reports before. From that 'news' article:-

The approach can be difficult at night and in bad weather because pilots have to bank and circle while ensuring they line up with the runway. If they turn too sharply, the plane can end up too high and too fast, without enough time to make the proper descent.

Sounds exactly like what I call a circling approach?

According to the people familiar with the inquiry, the plane had trouble maintaining steady altitude in the turn, possibly because of strong winds. Air-traffic controllers and navigation equipment provided a landing path to the pilots, who circled the airport to land. The pilots failed to stop their turn in time and didn't correctly line up the aircraft with the runway. Then the plane, according to people familiar with the probe, stalled and the pilots lost control.


OK - so they went through the centreline and stalled. Those 'winds' can make it really difficult to 'maintain steady altitude'? Perhaps they mean 'turbulence'?

The aircraft ended up continuing for several miles before plunging into the Indian Ocean, according to the people familiar with the inquiry.

Ah! It didn't stall then? In fact it was not even turning finals.

All in all a really useful article
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Old 9th November 2009, 16:18   #287 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for the reflex.

Even if not spelled out in a professional manner the scenario sounds common to other accidents (Armavia, Kenya 310, Kenya 738, Gulf Air, Colgan, Perm to name a few)

Where the pilots trained to Soviet type horizons before?
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Old 9th November 2009, 17:35   #288 (permalink)
 
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BOAC,
WSJ is what people like to call a Reference ...
Andy Pasztor has some difficulties to do without his favorite formula "according to someone"
Andy, you could also speak for yourself or quote and name precisely your source if you intend to practice serious journalism.
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Old 10th November 2009, 03:06   #289 (permalink)
 
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Practicing serious journalism or not, Andy seems to have the story when no one else does. He's had the scoop on all the recent crashes and incidents. He definitely has some sources, even though unnamed.
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Old 18th November 2009, 09:48   #290 (permalink)
 
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Yemenia is now seeking a third party to adjudicate in the accident investigation:

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