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Old 13th Feb 2009, 16:48   #1 (permalink)
 
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2 Dash 8 emergency landings in Skopje, Macedonia

MA 440 approaching LWSK had a starboard engine failure and landed safely. After take off OS 780 flight couldn't retract gear so returned and made emergency landing this afternoon at Alexander the Great Airport in Skopje, Republic of Macedonia. Both were DHC-8-400 Dash 8. All happened in 2 hours or so.

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2 Dash 8 emergency landings in Skopje, Macedonia

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MA 440 approaching LWSK had a starboard engine failure and landed safely. After take off OS flight couldn't retract gear so returned and made emergency landing this afternoon at Alexander the Great Airport in Skopje, Republic of Macedonia. Both were DHC-8-400 Dash 8. All happened in 2 hours or so.
Emergency,REALLY?????
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If you are asking about the OS 780 flight - yes. Rescue services were alerted and runway was blocked for 10 minutes after landing. Imagine (god forbid) those gears collapsing on landing - it would constitute a full emergency, in my opinion. The crew was not aware of the damage and problem with the gear so everybody had to be extra careful. Hence the emergency procedures.

Or perhaps things are done differently Down Under?

Cheers.

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Old 14th Feb 2009, 08:34   #4 (permalink)
 
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Good odds on the landing gear not retracting.....theres a flap above the F/Os head that is used to lower rthe main gear rear doors for maintenance and daily checks. There is no mention of this in the checklist for gear problems. If left down, it disables the gear.

Many Dashes have had embarassed crews pull up on stand and have the flap pointed out to them by engineers........

Engine failures also happen once in a while.

No ice about was there?
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Malev flight landed at 1605 lt. Austrian Arrows at 1655 lt. Here's the METAR's from that period.

METAR LWSK 131600Z 03010KT 9999 OVC053 01/M06 Q1008 NOSIG=
METAR LWSK 131630Z 02011KT 9999 BKN053 01/M06 Q1008 NOSIG=
METAR LWSK 131700Z 03010KT 9999 SCT053 00/M06 Q1008 NOSIG=
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Down under is Australia. Not NZ!
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Oz and NZ both in the Southern Hemorroid, aren't they?
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Ignorance is bliss!
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The term Down Under is a colloquialism referring to Australia and occasionally New Zealand.
Down Under - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Wikipedia has now been corrected.
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This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (January 2009)

Down Under - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Another source where you CAN NOT change the facts.

What is the meaning of the term "down under" which is genrally used in connection with Australia? - Yahoo! Answers India

Don't worry, the Wikipedia guys will change what you deleted in no time.
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Emergency ?

I think the author here is not really interested in "Emergency"
as such but ... in:

"Alexander the Great Airport in Skopje, Republic of Macedonia"

i.e. using the thread to promote the new name of Skopje Airport
for political propaganda ...

Actually "Alexander the Great Airport" is located
in Kavala Greece (LGKV) since long.

Any body else here feels same ?
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tsenis,

The purpose of the topic is the 2 emergencies that happened in one hour at the same airport with the same aircraft type. Not to mention the same a/c type crashed the very same day in the US. If that is not news, I don't know what it is.

The fact that this happened at Skopje, Macedonia, at an airport named Alexander the Great, is a something I can not change.

I really don't see where is the policital propaganda here where the only facts that are mentioned are: a/c type, METAR's and name of the airport where it happened.

Skopje Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Regards.
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First of all apologise to the people who want to read about Q400ís!
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If you called a Scotsman or Irishman a POM.......Stand back.......It will be on for young and old!
I am an Australian. Wikipedia is an opinion. Probably not an Australian opinion?
Have a look at PPRuNe forums > Dunnunda & Godzone............... It refers to Australia and New Zealand.
I suggest you donít tell an All Black (NZ rugby player) that he is from Downunder!
Have a nice day Mate!
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Tsenis, just ignore them please.
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Imagine (god forbid) those gears collapsing on landing
Gears where already down. According to your writing of events. So they have not been out of there locks. So how could they collapse.

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theres a flap above the F/Os head that is used to lower rthe main gear rear doors for maintenance and daily checks. There is no mention of this in the checklist for gear problems.
Start studying again "Dash&Thump".
Behind this flap, as you call it, is the emergency gear extension handle. Read the folowing:

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Alternate Extension Sequence:

Main Gear:
1. Opening Ceiling Alternate Release Door ==> Moves Bypass Valve==> All Actuators At Return Hydraulic Pressure

2. Moving Inhibit Switch ==> To Inhibit ==> Prevent Selector Valve From Opening ==> Blocks #2 Hydraulic Pressure

3. Pulling Main Gear T-Handle ==> Releases Uplocks of the MAIN landing gears And the Forward And Center Doors locks ==> Main Gear Extends Partially By Gravity

4. Use Hand Pump ==> Completes Main Gear Extension Through Its Own Actuator

After that almost the same procedure with the nosewheel.
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Gears where already down. According to your writing of events. So they have not been out of there locks. So how could they collapse.
You make it sound like it was a sure thing that the gears would not collapse. Having a retracting problem I think you would consider all the consequences that may follow. There have been many situations where gear has collapsed when the indicator showed LOCKED, and many when there was not a green light but the wheel was indeed locked.

Being cautious I think you would not risk your passengers and always think about the "What if" theory.

That's at least what the OS crew did. I think it's quite reasonable.
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Old 14th Feb 2009, 15:01   #18 (permalink)
 
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If the flap is down the gear will not retract.
You will get the amber light in the handle when you select gear up because of position disparity (Handle to gear) but the gear WILL NOT retract. Reference to the handle behind...??
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Quite right Rat Catcher, a monkey might see and a monkey might do, but a monkey does not necessarily understand what it is doing.
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Stop calling it "flap", its name is "LANDING GEAR ALTERNATE RELEASE DOOR".

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