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Unless I'm reading your post wrong, you seem to be suggesting that this should have been sorted out behind closed doors.

Okay, agreed that it may have been the decent thing to let the pilot know the incident would be reported to give him the opportunity to prepare his case but once the decision had been made to report it, it has to be reported, regardless of any other supplementary actions.

It is a very difficult call to make but nevertheless a call that had to be made.

Unless the report was made out of spite, which doesn't seem to be the case on the face of it, the hard call was probably a damn sight more responsible and adult than childish.

What if he hadn't reported it and the guy had flown another similar sortie later that same day, with fatal consequences, not just for the pilot but other observers or innocent parties on the ground? He'd have a lot more on his conscience than having to worry about whistle blowing.

LYKA

Crossunder (post #57):

The Possibility exists that pilots may make their own judgement about the severity of a ‘small’ patch of frost and not de-ice – …But pilot actually has no means of quantifying the effect


The effect of the frost may be significant or insignificant, depending on its location, size and thickness
�� This is unknown at present on Airbus A/C, since design and certification assumes a clean wing
�� Dependent on individual aircraft design (up to 30 % wing lift reduction already measured on non Airbus aircraft)

Under current recommendations, this frost, whatever the thickness or extent, has to be removed with a full and symmetric de-icing.

ATB

Scrubbed

Well, maybe they can be in an airline with experienced, switched-on cabin crew. Usually the old "boilers."

Unfortunately, some global airlines we all know of hire them young and dumb and from subservient cultures where they'd cut their own heads off before actually saying anything to anyone up the front. That's IF they even thought of noticing anything outside their own little sphere.

Sad but true. I'm sure this won't go down well with the yanks but welcome to the rest of the world.

Yes they can be useful but let's keep it in context.

Most of the howling going on here is based on the article as it was worded by a journalist who wasn't even there. So let's jump to another conclusion: pilot has ex-wife turn up on his crew, huge fight ensues. Coincidence?????? Not likely!

Finn47

Judge tosses pilot´s lawsuit, so cabin crew are safe at least for the time being:

Phoenix - Valley Fever - Pilot's Suit Against Whistleblowing Flight Attendants Tossed by Judge