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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 21:38   #661 (permalink)
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I suggest you read post number ONE and see how the courts deal with people who think its funny to point l@sers at aircraft. They each got 6 months and if I had my way it would be for much longer.

Don't do it. You endanger aircraft and the people in them.
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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 22:15   #662 (permalink)
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Your right it should be longer. However the problem is what do you charge them with.

I know a lot of post say attempted murder but you have to prove that was their intention, which I am sure a lot of them did not have the common sense to realize how dangerous it is and just thought it would be fun.
I am guessing the most you could bump the charges up to is reckless endangerment, unless something awful happens and it does cause the aircraft to go down then I guess you could do them for Manslaughter.

It’s a prime example of when technology and its availability surpasses the current laws, however due to increased amount of reported cases and the possibility of ending many lives, especially if it went down over an area like London, I am sure it could be amended and legislation put in quickly after all who would object to it, there is no interest groups on the negative side.

I also do not understand how these l@sers can be purchased legally, what purpose do they serve?
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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 23:29   #663 (permalink)
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The existing legislation is more than adequate for prosecution. Air Navigation Order Part 19 Para 137 Endangering Safety of an Aircraft, and Part 28 Para 222 Lights which Dazzle or Distract are the relevant sections.
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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 23:41   #664 (permalink)
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The existing legislation is more than adequate for prosecution. Air Navigation Order Part 19 Para 137 Endangering Safety of an Aircraft, and Part 28 Para 222 Lights which Dazzle or Distract are the relevant sections.
What’s the maximum sentence for this though, there needs to be major jail time in my view for this.

I take it back, you can get life for it, the law is more than good enough, would be nice to see a judge give someone five years off the bat to send a real message.

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Old 4th Oct 2012, 07:55   #665 (permalink)
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FWIW, I think the ACTUAL DANGER posed by these things (and the clots who wield them) is close to zero.
Not all l@sers are equal..... I've had, on two occations, airliners asking to get taken off an arrival sequence to sort themselvs out a bit due to disorientation from l@ser. Both times on final, but still outside 10nm.

I've allso worked in a tower where a 412SP got hit with green l@ser while doing circuits on NVG, causing them to go off goggles.
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Old 4th Oct 2012, 09:17   #666 (permalink)
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This needs to be made public....People need to be educated on the dangers posed by these l@ser lights.....Also maybe the airline can come up with shades to counter the lights.
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Old 6th Oct 2012, 19:00   #667 (permalink)
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The FBI Just Created a National Anti-Laser Attack Task Force

The FBI Just Created a National Anti-Laser Attack Task Force:

FBI — l@ser Pointer Attacks Taking Off: Pose Serious Threat to Aviation Security
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Old 7th Oct 2012, 15:38   #668 (permalink)
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Helicopter video of attack and arrest

This video embedded in this article is worth watching. The attacker is located and arrested.

Laser strikes against airplanes now an “epidemic,” says FBI | Ars Technica
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Old 8th Oct 2012, 08:45   #669 (permalink)
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I found this on the Western Mail / South Wales Echo website this morning - Laser pens are "putting lives at risk" warns aviation group

The current laws are not tough enough to deter those idiots that put lives at risk
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Old 10th Oct 2012, 03:45   #670 (permalink)
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We can all say the laws need to be tougher, believe me, having seen both sides of this argument as a police officer previously and now flying I agree there needs to be tougher penalties.

The problems lie in the logistics, the force concerned, the officer, their attitude and the resourcing.
To give you an example - I cannot obviously divulge too much info with breaking various laws I still pertain to as an ex cop but if we were pushed for resources (i.e. the less than a dozen officers on shift on a friday night covering almost a quarter of a county within 15 minutes of LHR dealing with domestics which are complete nonsense (like my sister broke my door down is considered a domestic,if anyone cares to look up the amount of domestic reports police go to in the u.k you'll be amazed at how much time is wasted, I do not agree with the way domestics are dealt with in the u.k)) we are just not able to respond to a job like this. We physically didnt have the resources, it sounds bad but thats the way it is. The police forces in the U.K are pushed to there limits with resourcing (im sure some of you have dealt with the police and had good or bad experiences).
Its not unheard of for a 999 call to go un-resourced or have a traffic officer or AFO turn up to a domestic because of the lack of resourcing available.
Central London (METPOL) has a massive budget in comparison to the 2nd biggest U.K force for example.
If your then able to respond to the job or have the time, how do you find them?
I always had an interest in aviation, so I made a point to go looking for them and find these little fiends (usually they are little) to make sure they knew what they had done.
I knew the section of the law that they could be charged under, that sort of specific law is not in police basic training. That would need a referral from a specialist unit and sometimes the time and effort sadly this requires deems an arrest void because the time can be better spent dealing with other things.
I apologise if this sounds like i'm beating a dead horse. But its really a hard thing to tackle.
What would I do? I'd increase the policing amounts on the ground, I'd get the communications from ATC to police officers in cases like this more of a direct link as opposed to 2 or 3 intermediaries.
Give F/D crew a way of actually having the ability to pinpoint the area and location at a quick glance then gps co-ordinates which take time to pass on and then mirror into an actual address.
Police go on street addresses not IRS systems.
At biocyber - in your instance, if god forbid something like that happened it would be a tough push but you might be able to get Involuntary Manslaughter to stick, but i'm not a lawyer and dont confess to be one so thats really something that the CPS would decide. I feel they have a lot to answer for.

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Old 16th Oct 2012, 14:39   #671 (permalink)
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BBC report on l@ser attacks
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Old 25th Oct 2012, 18:46   #672 (permalink)
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BBC News - Jail term warning for shining l@ser pens at aircraft
Another prosecution. This time its a suspended sentence...
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Old 26th Oct 2012, 11:02   #673 (permalink)
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time to equip passenger planes with (small) beam riding air - ground missiles? or a BIG l@ser to give them something to think about
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Old 26th Oct 2012, 11:42   #674 (permalink)

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Agree HH - vis

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Old 29th Oct 2012, 13:08   #675 (permalink)
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This one took place just around the corner from my house. You can sort of imagine young children/teenagers thinking it's funny but a 44 year old man is just ridiculous.

Man cautioned after shining high-powered l@ser pen at police helicopter over Dukinfield | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk
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Old 29th Oct 2012, 13:16   #676 (permalink)

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A caution. That's a massive deterrent.....

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Old 28th Dec 2012, 21:30   #677 (permalink)
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Police Helicopter Laser Attack

Man charged after l@ser beamed at aircraft

Police have charged a 37-year-old man after a l@ser beam was aimed at a commercial airliner and a police helicopter last night.
The suspect was found in the backyard of a house in the northern Gold Coast suburb of Ormeau.
Police allege he aimed a hand-held l@ser at the aircrafts just before 9pm (AEST).
The man has been charged with threatening the safety of people on board an aircraft.
He is due to appear at Southport Magistrates Court next month.

From ABC News
Man charged after l@ser beamed at aircraft - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Old 30th Dec 2012, 21:45   #678 (permalink)
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I'd be interested in the supply side of this. From my last two years summer hols in Turkey, it's apparent that you can basically get as powerful a l@ser as you like and give to your kids (or let them buy it).

When I remonstrated with a kid who shone a l@ser in my eyes, his Dad and a mate came looking for me and threatened me with violence.

I'm not going back to Turkey, but these things must be coming back in the thousands, in the hands of kids with parents like that.
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 10:41   #679 (permalink)
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Laser pens 'threaten Gatwick passenger safety'

BBC News - l@ser pens 'threaten Gatwick passenger safety'

l@ser pens are sold as office equipment used to point out details on presentations

Home Office minister James Brokenshire said there were no plans to reclassify l@sers as offensive weapons.
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 15:21   #680 (permalink)
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Ad you were worried about kids. Even a bit of reflective stray would be a tad worrying.

The system, which uses two l@ser weapons, was also used to cut through a steel girder a kilometre away.
BBC News - Rheinmetall demos l@ser that can shoot down drones
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