danishdynamite

Should one refuse to fly if there is a risk of a hurricane catching up, when staying in hotel during ground stop at the destination, eventhough company says go?

MarcJF

I can't believe that any reputable company would want to put it's crew, aircraft or passengers in danger by flying them into a hurricane zone. Naive - maybe!

GobonaStick

If one is flying a Messerschmitt, I'd say 'yes'

Desk Jockey

That didn't take long!

Avman

Are you FD crew? If I was a passenger on your flight I'd put my trust in your sound (I hope) professional judgement. If you felt it wasn't prudent to fly I'd expect you not to - and not to be bullied by some company official sitting nice and comfy back at base

Rainboe

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danishdynamite

Thanks for the links.
Company has been doing this for many years but being new in the business it just made me worry a little bit...

Rainboe

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411A

Rainboe is right on target.
My personal experience is in the Pacific, where they're called typhoons.
Airlines are generally quite conservative with their planning in such cases.

Capot

The question isn't about flight safety, it's about the crew's safety in the hotel if the hurricane goes over while they are there.

danishdynamite

But if you are planned to go where a hurricane is expected to hit while you are staying in the hotel waiting for the return flight days later.
The incomming flight is not the problem... Is it fair that the company expect one to go there taking a personal risk?

Viking101

Start by checking your wx; METAR, TAF and FC. Check your wx charts too.

If you are within the wx limits and wind limits, you are ok.

If you are in doubt, there is doubt.

Keep it simple, dear colleague (???)

danishdynamite

The scenario I am trying to make here is a little bit beyond TAFs and METARs...
I keep it simple - question is: would you go if a hurricane hits you while you are in the hotel?

sevenstrokeroll

danishdynamite:

if you are concerned, and you have a right to be, just call in sick. see a doctor, say: I haven't been sleeping well, I'd like to have a few sleeping pills, but need a note from you saying I can't fly while taking them.

My airline flys a great deal in hurricane country and snow country. There have been crews "snowed in" for 5 days on a trip with just ONE overnight.

they were stuck. safe, but stuck. now, some male pilots could take an advantage of young attractive girl fa/s...but that isn't the topic.

me, I would hate to be stuck anywhere but home for 5 days.

good luck!

Torque2

Don't be naive enough to believe that the company wouldn't send you to the location to wait out the passage of a hurricane, they will try. Don't let anyone suggest it hasn't happened before, it has. Watch the weather/storm forecast carefully, if it is forecast to pass close to your destination start quoting 'duty of care'.

411A

Oh, I dunno, hurricanes (or typhoons) can be kind of interesting.
Sat through at least two in HKG, when I was working for SQ.
We stayed in the Excelsior Hotel, and the folks in the Dickens Bar were quite a friendly bunch during the big blow, outside.
You could actually feel the building sway in the wind.
As I say....interesting.

Symbian

I was recently in Cuba when Gustave went to the West of Havana so I was about 200-250nm east of the center when it was a category 3. The hotel looked after us and to be honest i have experienced windier days at home in autumn.

However if I could see that there was a category 4-5 coming over the top of my intended location and the company were insisting that I stay there I would invite them to talk to my lawyer about due care and attention. this link is excellent for making an informed decision http://www.wunderground.com/tropical...y.html#a_topad and personally i would not have a major problem with Ike.

Sevenstrokeroll I do hope you don't work for the same airline as me as no doubt you don't think about your colleagues when taking such selfish actions.

Torque2

Quote: This is not a fair weather job only- your duty is to try and complete your task. If you are unable to bring yourself to operate to the Caribbean in hurricane season, may I suggest another career? But to let the company down with 'I feel sick today' to get out of it? No- do your job.


I have serious reservations about this advice. Your job is to try and complete your task SAFELY. Having done the job then it is the company's requirement in law to exercise 'duty of care' towards their employees which would include intentionally placing you in the path of a hurricane.

There is already a precedent to this situation and the advice to get another career smacks of huge 'macho' idealism, airline pilots are required to exercise due concern if there is any doubt, you are doing so.

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Ancient Mariner

I can't believe that I'm reading this.
As Rainboe says, people in 5* hotels are not the ones affected. The poor in shanty towns are. Methinks people are watching too many disaster movies.
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