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Public Online Register For Contaminated Flights And Illness
If you have suffered ill health as a result of flying, and or experienced a fume event, please help us compile this data in order that we can help fill the governments knowledge gap!! PILOT/CREW AND PAX , you can use a username and identity protected.
I applaud the creators of this database. There is so much evidence out there clearly showing a huge health problem caused by contaminated cabin air, and I hope that as many people as possible who’ve experienced fumes or symptoms log their experiences. The airlines and authorities need to wake up and do something about it!
Well done, at last!! I've been in 2 serious fume events in the last few months - let's hope everyone registers. Thank you for giving us this opportunity it's high time something was done to help us.
thankyou for the words of encouragement! Not a question of having balls as you put it! More a case of having justice and acknowledgement that people do actually get sick through flying and through NO fault of their own. David versus goliath, I know however just because these events are rare and real unlucky and unjust does not mean they should be hushed aside! Everyone workers and the travelling public are entitled to safe carrige, this clearly is not happening! No matter what the minority, every person counts and should have rights. Thankyou for trying..
No not a law firm, am afraid to burst your bubble, just a mother that has had these poisons identified in her system post flight, that has three young children with these poisons also in their systems, ALONG with other children very sick!! causing a huge manifest of severe health affects, the youngest living on inhalers where she can not breath properly, another trying to take her own life where she feels she is going crazy unable to deal with the neurological affects of a neurotoxin, that has been identified in biopsy. My other child frequent collapse, falling from top to bottom of stairs backwards unconscious, her doctor diagnosing affects of tcp exposure, myself in hospital recieving steroid injection, tablets , oxygen not being able to breath properly, doctors diagnosing lung, liver and neurological damage just to name a few, carcinogenic substances absorbed by my whole family, along with many others onboard the same flight! My husand to sick to work as a self employed person does not have the comfort of medical expenses and sick pay paid. Think that gives me the right to speak out for myself and take action where i see fit, does it not?
A note to the moderator's every single word I write is backed up by legal written documents by specialist doctors, pls for the good of our fellow sufferer's please do not delete this posting, fact of the matter is people can get sick and do, we are living proof of this! again may be minority but we should count? In fact i invite you to view our medical data in private inorder to satisfy your legal requirements.
Dont bury your heads in the sand, demand clean air!! To late for us, but may not be to late for someone else!!!
Last edited by carbis22 : 27th August 2008 at 14:56. Reason: removed 1 sentance, that was replying to pacplyers statement that was deleted by mods, and would make no sense to those who had not read his/hers comments.
WHBM - a firm of lawyers touting for business? What on earth are you on about? I'm cabin crew and I've been ill for months because of breathing contaminated air on a flight. I posted saying how marvellous they are because I've had a look at the website and I think it is marvellous - have you looked at it yet? At last someone is trying to do something about this outrageous situation and I admire them.
In the climate which 'we' have created in Europe, nothing which can be scientifically proven to be harmful stands a chance any more.
There is a lot of anecdotal whingeing about contaminated cabin air. Without doubt, manufacturers and operators don't put clean fresh air at the top of their agenda. But there is also a huge volume of hyperbole over what amounts to smelly and unpleasant fumes.
There is NOT a scientific study which backs up some of the wilder claims. Yes, detection and measurement are difficult, or in some cases impossible, but I have a horrid feeling that this is a bandwagon that many wannabe sufferers (and the Lord knows we're good at producing those these days) can't wait to jump onto.
If there were hospital wards full of sick folk, something would change. There aren't, and it won't. The rest is just noise.
IYHO the minority does not count? And you are probably right about nothing ever changing, the whinging and making noise's, can you be certain of those facts?
I am a sufferer and believe me I don't "wannabe" one. Guess you have to experience it to understand it but please try to keep an open mind and don't dismiss us all as "whingers"...... "smelly and unpleasant fumes" have left me with damage to my nervous system.
I am not unsympathetic. I deal, routinely, with the bereaved and crippled. I have seen suffering and don't like it.
However, I challenge you that:
You may have experienced fumes.
You may have been diagnosed with certain conditions affecting the nervous system.
But you have not been diagnosed as suffering damage to the nervous system as a consequence of contaminated cabin air.
Have you?
If you have, then your doctor has taken a step beyond competence.
You may be in an extremely unfortunate minority, but that you are in a minority is beyond doubt.
Carbis, the minority count in their own way. However, commercial air transport is just that: a commercial undertaking in pursuit of profit consequent upon satisfying market desires. The market is the majority.
SEE bOEING SUBMISSION: SECTION 17 ON ABOVE WEBSITE
Boeing: The Boeing 787 will have a no-bleed architecture for the outside air supply to the cabin. This architecture eliminates the risk of engine oil decomposition products from being introduced in the cabin supply air in the rare event of a failed engine compressor seal. In addition, this architecture improves fuel efficiency, thus reducing fuel burn and associated engine emissions.
Carbis, you say you were diagnosed post-flight, and your kids suffer too (along with others). I take it this all came from exposure on this 1 flight? Was this a normal flight, or did something happen? Do you know any other passengers on this flight that suffer the same? Could it be that your family actually suffer from an environmental contamination in your hometown?
No we was very unfortunatley NOT alone, Illness began during the flight with people vomitting, headache and various other symptoms, there was around 60 pax that we know of, probably more who are still suffering symptoms to date, post 18 mth. and yes we are in contact with each other, All live in different parts of great britain including wales, enviromental factor ruled out on that point.
Food ruled out by EHA, full investigation denied to MP from CAA, we asked them to write to all pax. Hospitalisation after flight due breathing difficulties and other various symptoms. No fever's, infections or raised WBC found. No Incubation period.
I only go by what our doctors have diagnosed, I also find that this site for people to register their symptoms and cabin conditions may be a great help. When one makes complaint to their service provider, denial that others have complained is expected and recieved, complaints are quashed, If an individual traveller experienced the same fate they would not stand a chance!
That many people got on a plane healthy and was made sick, that is a fact!
Actually according to Professor Malcolm Hooper who is a leading expert on Gulf War Syndrome and Chief Advisor to the Government's COTS committee on organophosphates 52% of Europeans are susceptible to these chemicals.......now if my maths is correct that is a majority!!
For those new to or not in the civil aviation business, may I make the following point: Whilst I have heard of the rare occurence of contaminated air on passenger aircraft and I certainly would not wish to diminish the effects thereof, please do not mistake the ingestion of exhaust gas from your own or other aircraft as 'contaminated air'. This is most likely to happen when starting engines with a tailwind or passing downwind of other aircraft. It manifests as a 'paraffin' smell. Something which did irritate me at one time was the practice of shutting down an air conditioning pack in the cruise, especially in the days when smoking was permitted, and neither do I care for the design of systems which use partial re-circulation of air in the cabin but that's how it is.
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