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Old 29th May 2009, 16:01   #21 (permalink)
 
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"I think it is best to wait for some sort of official report"

You must be young or Latino or both. Who would wait for an objective official report to come out of Venezuela? It wasn't always like that, but sadly it is now.
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Old 30th May 2009, 00:13   #22 (permalink)
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However with EGPWS installed (and operational) then this type of event should not occur.
Anybody able to confirm if this aircraft had EGPWS fitted?
Some time ago I was told that they dispatched with (E)GPWS inop! (The source tends to be quite reliable).
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Old 30th May 2009, 01:23   #23 (permalink)
 
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IIRC the ATR is one of the few aircraft where GPWS / EGPWS (TAWS) can be selected ‘OFF’ with a flight deck switch.
I recall an ATR CFIT accident where the EGPWS was OFF – a former Yugoslav country?
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Old 30th May 2009, 04:38   #24 (permalink)
 
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Yeah, remember that one... that was SiFly's ATR-42 that crashed in Kosovo/Serbia about 10 years ago..
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Old 30th May 2009, 05:08   #25 (permalink)
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You recall correctly. 3 posn selection Norm Flap (mode 4) inhibit and Off. Sw is guarded in Norm position.
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Old 11th June 2009, 00:43   #26 (permalink)
 
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Still waiting for a crash report on an MD-80 about 4 years ago with a bunch of French tourists.
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Old 19th June 2009, 18:33   #27 (permalink)
 
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Still waiting for a crash report on an MD-80 about 4 years ago with a bunch of French tourists.
Just to make things clear, that wasn't Santa Barbara Airlines was it?

I have recently been doing quite a bit of work with Santa Barbara and I had not heard of that. Also, since the ATR accident, it would seem they have really picked their game plan up. SMS and TEM taken seriously now - at least that is the impression I got after spending a morning with their safety manager, and a couple of weeks with their crews. Obviosuly I don't have a "before" for comparison, but it doesn't seem as bad as many would have you believe in the light of the ATR.

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Old 20th June 2009, 03:29   #28 (permalink)
 
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yes it was Santa Barbara Airlines.... the cvr audio is available in youtube..
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Old 25th June 2009, 16:55   #29 (permalink)
 
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ATR tape available as well if youtube is correct.
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Old 25th June 2009, 21:32   #30 (permalink)
 
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yes it was Santa Barbara Airlines.... the cvr audio is available in youtube.
No, the OP was asking whether the MD-80 was Santa Barbara Airlines - it wasn't, it was West Caribbean Airlines.
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Old 27th June 2009, 12:26   #31 (permalink)
 
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No, the OP was asking whether the MD-80 was Santa Barbara Airlines - it wasn't, it was West Caribbean Airlines.
Mike, thanks for clearing that up for me. I knew it wasn't Santa Barbara with the MD-80, but I wanted to check for the details the next time I am in CCS. You beat me to it.

I had found the ATR CVR on Youtube, but of course nothing re BBR MD-80.

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Old 27th June 2009, 16:10   #32 (permalink)
 
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You're welcome.

Incidentally: West Caribbean Airways - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 1st July 2009, 03:58   #33 (permalink)
 
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ooppsss my mistake, i thought he was talking about the ATR crash... there is also ( on youtube ) a "dramatization" of the West Carribean crash...
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Old 2nd July 2009, 00:48   #34 (permalink)
 
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The youtube CVR can be heard here



The audio is in Spanish and it is not good quality but worth listening.

On this video you can read the voice transcription, since the audio was hard to understand.



Rest in peace.
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