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Old 22nd November 2007, 17:07   #1 (permalink)
 
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737-300 uncontained engine failure

On Saturday, November 17, 2007, a Southwest 737-300 experienced an uncontained engine failure of the forward fan section.

The flight successfully returned to DAL with no Passenger or Crew injuries.

The aircraft sustained damage to the number 2 Engine, number 2 Engine Pylon, fuselage, and leading edges.
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Old 22nd November 2007, 23:40   #2 (permalink)
 
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nothing about that one so far on the faa prelim website...

http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/a...liminary_data/
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Old 22nd November 2007, 23:44   #3 (permalink)
 
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Yes there is! Doesnt sound like an uncontained engine failure however...
http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/a...a/D_1119_N.txt
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Old 23rd November 2007, 12:54   #4 (permalink)
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I've just seen multiple photos. Very uncontained unless there's a new definition.

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Old 23rd November 2007, 04:52   #5 (permalink)
 
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Where did you find those pics?
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Old 23rd November 2007, 04:58   #6 (permalink)
 
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I've just seen multiple photos. Very uncontained unless there's a new definition.
Depends, the engines are only expected to not burst their cases.... nothing is said or expected regarding an aircraft supplied part like a inlet nacelle or tailpipe.

Of course in any event, aircraft damage that might affect another system must be minimized to the smallest practical extent.

so where's the photo?
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Old 23rd November 2007, 06:25   #7 (permalink)

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Old 23rd November 2007, 06:48   #8 (permalink)
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Cannot make it out in the pics - presumably a modified spinner? Just a touch of vibration, I fancy
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Old 23rd November 2007, 07:38   #9 (permalink)
 
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Danny

Thanks for the photos.

Looks like a piece of fan blade might have come forward of the engine case and out through the inlet cowl down and away from the aircraft. It has happend before and as long as it's only pieces of a blade and not a whole fan disk set the history has shown the consequences to be not very hazardous.

Of course with these composite inlet outter skin the hole it makes are lot bigger than the piece. With the old style aluminum skin nacelles the holes were much smaller.
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Old 23rd November 2007, 12:46   #10 (permalink)
 
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If it is a CFM56 Engine on the SOU 733, It happened regularly in the late 80's early 90's.

G OBME BD 734 had a CFM56, which had similar problems at Kegworth.

BD had another CFM56 incident with G OBMF 734 a few months after the Kegworth crash in 1989, Flying the same LHR-BFS BD092.
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Old 23rd November 2007, 13:47   #11 (permalink)
 
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BYALPHAINDIA:
The problem in manufacture with the CFM56 fitted to G-OBME was fixed across the fleet very shortly after the incident. The main problem highlighted by that accident was that the 733-734 conversion training was lacking important information (like where the bleed air from the engines came from between the two variants). The second incident was an improper maintenance procedure that left the o-ring seals off the engine, causing them to vomit oil.
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Old 23rd November 2007, 14:00   #12 (permalink)
 
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True, The DC9 Pilot's also said that the conversion training onto the 734 was 'rather' rushed!! with only a short SIM sesssion.

I remember G OBMM 734 EMA-ACE? had to divert enroute, Due to large oil loss in Engine back in 1990's, Landed at LTN??with less than 1/4 oil.

The Night Line check was not completed for a variety of reasons, Short staff etc.

Severe Bashings were had at BD Eng
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Old 23rd November 2007, 23:43   #13 (permalink)

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Some pictures with a bit more detail:



Click on the images for full size.
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Old 23rd November 2007, 23:59   #14 (permalink)
 
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Ouch, seems like the guys/gals certainly earned their money there. Good to see no injuries.
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Old 24th November 2007, 11:59   #15 (permalink)
 
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Some pictures with a bit more detail:
Oh Oh, that's not good

I don't see any blood or guts from a bird

Looks like the whole fan spinner has been eaten for lunch. Lots of blades liberated.

Well at least the engine fan case forward extension is intact and has absorbed the brunt of the energy before shoveling the debris forward into the soft aluminum. What's left of the inlet doesn't look like much to hang onto.

I presume we'll be hearing more about this from official sources.
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Old 25th November 2007, 05:19   #16 (permalink)
 
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is the lack of a nose 'cone' (covering the bolts, etc) on the front the fan usual for an failure like this?
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Old 25th November 2007, 05:56   #17 (permalink)
 
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Missing spinner is very unusual....
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Old 25th November 2007, 07:58   #18 (permalink)
 
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is the lack of a nose 'cone' (covering the bolts, etc) on the front the fan usual for an failure like this?
very unusual and hopefully quite rare.

Damn expensive throughout the engine and nacelle and typically self insurred at the engine level. Of course the mounts survived since they are not designed to break away at this level of damage
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Lucky it all exited stage right (viewed from behind the engine). 180 degrees around would have sent it into the fuselage area.

I'm surprised to see how flimsy the "containment" structure is forward of the fan!
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Old 25th November 2007, 11:02   #20 (permalink)
 
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I'm surprised to see how flimsy the "containment" structure is forward of the fan
I'm not sure what you describe as a containment structure. Immediately in front of the fan blades is an engine structure that appears to be intact and unbreached, having absorbed all the energy delivered to it. Foward of this structure and bolt flange is an aircraft structure, designed for aerodynamic and sound attenuation purpose.

From a safety of flight standpoint, the escaped pieces beyond the engine case forward extremeties, may have had the majority of their energy adequately diminished to minimize the possibility of holing a pressure vessel, fuel tank or another engine. The eye typically sees extent of damage $$$ and only together with analysis can one assess the impact to continued safe flight and landing.
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