ONUR AIR AGAIN and AGAIN
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This incident is reported in newspapers,too.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/57...rid=3428&oid=2
good luck!
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/57...rid=3428&oid=2
good luck!
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Onur
Now we all see, read and hear the stories about Onur. They make it on page one quite frequently. So far nothing catastrophic happend and I really hope it stays like this.
What really concerns me is that we only hear about more serious things and not about the countless incidents they have.
They have been banned for a reason in 2005 but still seem to continue to work according their very own way of doing things.
And yes - I could tell you some scarry stories 'cause I've been there too and I'm glad I left after a fairly short time.
Just have a look at their number of 'misshaps' in the past 5 years.
Tailstrikes, overruns, an almost landing with the gear up etc. - this is scarry!
I blame the senior management for putting imense pressure (commercial nature) on their mechanics (to sign off airplanes) and to their crews (to accept and fly airplanes that should not be in the sky).
Lack of training in all departments is another factor contributing to their situation.
Their safety manager must be a fairly busy person to read, file and act on all these ASR's.
The CAA was under pressure as well after the 2005 ban and closed that other fishy outfit Flyair
and I bet they're watching Onur very closely.
Onur is still the largest (as if size matters) private carrier in Turkey but they have to get their priorities in the correct order.
Would I fly with them ?
What really concerns me is that we only hear about more serious things and not about the countless incidents they have.
They have been banned for a reason in 2005 but still seem to continue to work according their very own way of doing things.
And yes - I could tell you some scarry stories 'cause I've been there too and I'm glad I left after a fairly short time.
Just have a look at their number of 'misshaps' in the past 5 years.
Tailstrikes, overruns, an almost landing with the gear up etc. - this is scarry!
I blame the senior management for putting imense pressure (commercial nature) on their mechanics (to sign off airplanes) and to their crews (to accept and fly airplanes that should not be in the sky).
Lack of training in all departments is another factor contributing to their situation.
Their safety manager must be a fairly busy person to read, file and act on all these ASR's.
The CAA was under pressure as well after the 2005 ban and closed that other fishy outfit Flyair
and I bet they're watching Onur very closely.Onur is still the largest (as if size matters) private carrier in Turkey but they have to get their priorities in the correct order.
Would I fly with them ?
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First of all, i am not a MD-88 pilot, but as someone seems to miss the obvious, this humble rampie/de-icing coordinator is no longer able to keep his mouth shut... 
IF the MD-88 has the same door/net-configuration as the other MD-80's, then the door must have been locked open since loading.
On every other MD-80 i've seen, you first operate the handle, push the door open, and put the handle back to lock the door in open position. Then you detach the soft sidewalls of the inner door(!) from the fuselage side, and lift the inner door so that it covers the outer door, were it locks into place with latches.
The function of the inner door is to prevent shifting cargo from jamming the operation of the outer door, like a net.
IF this aircraft is configured like every other MD-80 i've seen, then i don't see how it is possible that the door opened in flight, as from the picture, both outer and inner door seem to be secured in the open and locked position, as they would be during a turnaround...
There, i said it.. I'm now ready to be taken to the middle of the woods for a quick lead-poisioning...
IF the MD-88 has the same door/net-configuration as the other MD-80's, then the door must have been locked open since loading.
On every other MD-80 i've seen, you first operate the handle, push the door open, and put the handle back to lock the door in open position. Then you detach the soft sidewalls of the inner door(!) from the fuselage side, and lift the inner door so that it covers the outer door, were it locks into place with latches.
The function of the inner door is to prevent shifting cargo from jamming the operation of the outer door, like a net.
IF this aircraft is configured like every other MD-80 i've seen, then i don't see how it is possible that the door opened in flight, as from the picture, both outer and inner door seem to be secured in the open and locked position, as they would be during a turnaround...
There, i said it.. I'm now ready to be taken to the middle of the woods for a quick lead-poisioning...
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Take a look at this couple of pictures.
http://www.swisswings.ch/onur.htm
You can also read this notice:
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=1405742006
http://www.swisswings.ch/onur.htm
You can also read this notice:
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=1405742006
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Take a look
This is the same aircraft TC-ONP !
http://www.airporthaber.com/hb/detay.php?id=11660
And this is the official report issued by Dutch Safety Board:
http://www.safetyboard.nl/publicatio...d_take-off.pdf
http://www.airporthaber.com/hb/detay.php?id=11660
And this is the official report issued by Dutch Safety Board:
http://www.safetyboard.nl/publicatio...d_take-off.pdf
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All correct Bartender !
And not only MD 80 to 88 family but also all DC9 rear cargo compartment doors were designed exactly the same.
If Jovica is old enough he should remember that IAA... DC9 dropped pax bags on Take Off from one of his own airport some 30 years ago.
Bags can fall out any time depending on pitch, but were never sucked by engine...s,
unless some devil or Diabolo loads Aft Cargo with only some toy baloons and small umbrellas.
Cargo Doors may remain locked open for 3 reasons,
but all 3 started by Ground Support forgetting to close them.
1. Pilots ignore the "Aft Cargo Door Open" light in front of their heads.
(Very unlikely, even for OnurAir)
2. Bulbs to power that warning burned out.
3. The transmitter of that signal on the door inoperative.
About decompression on 6000',...
.It was a typical media answer even if it were Flight International.
The truth can only be that pilots NOTICED by their EARS and /or by cabin pressure control panel that cabin altitude is climbing same as the aircraft altitude, and declared "Loss of Cabin Pressure" to ATC.
Good on you OnurAir!
I am scared to mention or to compare what happened
to one B737 few years ago above Aegean Sea, as we were told for the loss of cabin pressure.
And not only MD 80 to 88 family but also all DC9 rear cargo compartment doors were designed exactly the same.
If Jovica is old enough he should remember that IAA... DC9 dropped pax bags on Take Off from one of his own airport some 30 years ago.
Bags can fall out any time depending on pitch, but were never sucked by engine...s,
unless some devil or Diabolo loads Aft Cargo with only some toy baloons and small umbrellas.
Cargo Doors may remain locked open for 3 reasons,
but all 3 started by Ground Support forgetting to close them.
1. Pilots ignore the "Aft Cargo Door Open" light in front of their heads.
(Very unlikely, even for OnurAir)
2. Bulbs to power that warning burned out.
3. The transmitter of that signal on the door inoperative.
About decompression on 6000',...
.It was a typical media answer even if it were Flight International.
The truth can only be that pilots NOTICED by their EARS and /or by cabin pressure control panel that cabin altitude is climbing same as the aircraft altitude, and declared "Loss of Cabin Pressure" to ATC.
Good on you OnurAir!
I am scared to mention or to compare what happened
to one B737 few years ago above Aegean Sea, as we were told for the loss of cabin pressure.
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Lets not forget that this is the same airline that landed gear up in Medina and also taxied into a light pole on the Saudia contract.
I think I recall that the Captain that did this was named chief pilot with some other airline in turkey, screw up and move up as the saying goes,same everywhere.
They also had an EU ban on them that was lifted last year.
2 sides to every story, then we have the truth.
Was it Onur air or Turkish airlines that crashed in Turkey a couple of years ago with zero visability and no ILS ?
Either way they have a troubled past and bad reputation.
Just check the past history on them.
Hope they one day get it together.
I think I recall that the Captain that did this was named chief pilot with some other airline in turkey, screw up and move up as the saying goes,same everywhere.
They also had an EU ban on them that was lifted last year.
2 sides to every story, then we have the truth.
Was it Onur air or Turkish airlines that crashed in Turkey a couple of years ago with zero visability and no ILS ?
Either way they have a troubled past and bad reputation.
Just check the past history on them.
Hope they one day get it together.
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Incredible the nonsense you hear about aviation incidents/accidents.
First off, the Douglas DC-8 and 9 have plug type passenger
and cargo doors. The only exceptions will be the Main topside
(very large cargo door) and the"Jet escape" on the stretch models.
They are plug type that pressurisation make physically impossible to open.
So, for baggage to fall off, and pressurisation not to work,
they HAD to be wide open just before
those pictures where taken, before they must have crept in
semi-closed position.
They slide up INSIDE against the wall for the belly doors just as
the passenger doors have to do a complicated monkey motion
to finally plug tight against the airframe.
http://members.tripod.com/~Motomom/201AirframeSyst
So, ALL the reports, allegations and comments here by the press
or the company agents are by simple logic, all big fat lies...
First off, the Douglas DC-8 and 9 have plug type passenger
and cargo doors. The only exceptions will be the Main topside
(very large cargo door) and the"Jet escape" on the stretch models.
They are plug type that pressurisation make physically impossible to open.
So, for baggage to fall off, and pressurisation not to work,
they HAD to be wide open just before
those pictures where taken, before they must have crept in
semi-closed position.
They slide up INSIDE against the wall for the belly doors just as
the passenger doors have to do a complicated monkey motion
to finally plug tight against the airframe.
http://members.tripod.com/~Motomom/201AirframeSyst
So, ALL the reports, allegations and comments here by the press
or the company agents are by simple logic, all big fat lies...
