NON UK PASSPORT HOLDERS SHOULD GO!
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NON UK PASSPORT HOLDERS SHOULD GO!
I beleive that the UK Govt asked all Airlines for lists of non UK passport holders working as aircrew. As in the USA, should all of the above be given a 12 month period to leave their flying jobs in the Uk? If not non UK passport holders how about non EU passport holders. There seems an awful lot of "foreigners" in Uk jobs at a time when we have Uk pilots facing unemployment. Now, I don't believe this to be xenophobic just a natural step to protect the UK indusrty. After all, if this was in the Southern Hemisphere or USA all Europeans would be told to go! When times get better and a UK or Eu citizen cannot be found to fill a vacancy then we can consider looking outside the EU.
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BB,
have you given it a seconds, no half a seconds, thought what would happen to the UK pilot-employment rate if all the worlds pilots with a UK passport would be send back to your little island. Hundreds of high flyingtime very experienced pilots would swarm the market looking for jobs that will certainly not be yours.
Good luck with protectionism. It never worked so far but you never know ....
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have you given it a seconds, no half a seconds, thought what would happen to the UK pilot-employment rate if all the worlds pilots with a UK passport would be send back to your little island. Hundreds of high flyingtime very experienced pilots would swarm the market looking for jobs that will certainly not be yours.
Good luck with protectionism. It never worked so far but you never know ....
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I think you've got the wrong end of the stick, BB.
I suspect that, rather than wanting to protect our jobs, it's a security measure in time of war.
Your overt xenophobia does you no credit at all, either. Removing "foreigners" from jobs in UK airlines will not protect the industry.
My last airline had upwards of a dozen nationalities working for it. And it was the better for it. I worked with Libyans, Iraqis, Swedes, Norwegians, Finns, Spanish, French, Dutch, Greeks, Bruneians, even Irish
and I can think of no better way to promote international understanding and harmony than to work and make friends with people from all origins.
Unfortunately, as in all times of conflict, innocent people get caught up in things. I am seriously concerned for some of my former colleagues, many of whom have lived in this country almost all their lives.
Furthermore, I know of many, many Brits working elsewhere in the world. Many other countries are suffering the fall-out of the 11th. September. If they are to lose their jobs to "locals", then we are back to square one here. You think that's a good result, to uproot people all over the world, to disrupt their lives any more than is already happening?
The barrage you get will not have its roots in your opinions but rather in the poor logic and prejudiced manner of your thinking.
I suspect that, rather than wanting to protect our jobs, it's a security measure in time of war.
Your overt xenophobia does you no credit at all, either. Removing "foreigners" from jobs in UK airlines will not protect the industry.
My last airline had upwards of a dozen nationalities working for it. And it was the better for it. I worked with Libyans, Iraqis, Swedes, Norwegians, Finns, Spanish, French, Dutch, Greeks, Bruneians, even Irish
and I can think of no better way to promote international understanding and harmony than to work and make friends with people from all origins.Unfortunately, as in all times of conflict, innocent people get caught up in things. I am seriously concerned for some of my former colleagues, many of whom have lived in this country almost all their lives.
Furthermore, I know of many, many Brits working elsewhere in the world. Many other countries are suffering the fall-out of the 11th. September. If they are to lose their jobs to "locals", then we are back to square one here. You think that's a good result, to uproot people all over the world, to disrupt their lives any more than is already happening?
The barrage you get will not have its roots in your opinions but rather in the poor logic and prejudiced manner of your thinking.
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Xenophobia raises its ugly head again, it seems.
For a start, virtually all pilots flying here either have the passport or the right to "live and work". Only a tiny minority do not.
Second, times are tough all over the world, and I have yet to see the commonly-blamed Southern Hemisphere countries throw out Brits who are working out there (they never have, to my knowledge).
Third, what we have in this country (UK) are not "British" jobs, or even "European" jobs. They are jobs for which employers seek the best qualified and skilled applicants. Living here confers no rights whatsoever regarding jobs of this nature.
It seems that some Brits are the last to realise that aviation is a global activity, with a global workforce. Instead of whinging about a "foreigner" getting "their" job, wannabes (for example) should try making themselves attractive enough to an employer that they can get that job on merit.
Finally, it shows a callous disregard for those you would uproot in your quest to protect "British" jobs.
For a start, virtually all pilots flying here either have the passport or the right to "live and work". Only a tiny minority do not.
Second, times are tough all over the world, and I have yet to see the commonly-blamed Southern Hemisphere countries throw out Brits who are working out there (they never have, to my knowledge).
Third, what we have in this country (UK) are not "British" jobs, or even "European" jobs. They are jobs for which employers seek the best qualified and skilled applicants. Living here confers no rights whatsoever regarding jobs of this nature.
It seems that some Brits are the last to realise that aviation is a global activity, with a global workforce. Instead of whinging about a "foreigner" getting "their" job, wannabes (for example) should try making themselves attractive enough to an employer that they can get that job on merit.
Finally, it shows a callous disregard for those you would uproot in your quest to protect "British" jobs.
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My Kiwi Dad and a lot of other colonials spent from 1939 until 1945 in and around UK/Africa with Monty helping "take jobs" off you Brits.
Funny we never heard anyone complaining about their presence then??
What a short-sighted view!!
Funny we never heard anyone complaining about their presence then??
What a short-sighted view!!
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Bavarian Boy may not have said things in a very well thought out way but I know what he means.However not a day goes by now that the subject of conversation on the flight deck is about the dozens if not hundreds of Australian, SA and New Zealand accents heard flying a/c for mainstram UK carriers. There is no level playing field as the average British pilot can not go "down-under" to work but any body with vague ancestoral rights can come here and steal a seat. It is almost immposible to work in France,Germany or Italy if you don't speak the local language AND hold a licence issued by that state. The airline I fly for has an Australian/Italian who until he arrived at our airline had never set foot in Britain- now he occupies a right seat that I believe he should not. End of story!
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CAPTAINSQULECH,FIREWALL,HUGMONSTER AND RAWDATA,
WELL DONE, PEOPLE LIKE BB LIVING IN DARKNESS, JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT UK PILOTS LIVING AND WOKING ABROAD THINK OF HIM.
THE ONLY WAY FORWARD,(BB) IS TO GET WHATEVER FLYING JOB YOU CAN GET AND GAIN ENOUGH EXPEREINCE, MAKE YOURSELF MORE ATTRACIVE TO THE AIRLINES.
WELL DONE, PEOPLE LIKE BB LIVING IN DARKNESS, JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT UK PILOTS LIVING AND WOKING ABROAD THINK OF HIM.
THE ONLY WAY FORWARD,(BB) IS TO GET WHATEVER FLYING JOB YOU CAN GET AND GAIN ENOUGH EXPEREINCE, MAKE YOURSELF MORE ATTRACIVE TO THE AIRLINES.
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Jacksman, how easy do you suppose it would be for anyone else to hold down a flying job in the UK without speaking English? I'm not talking about Aeronautical English, which won't exactly get you very far away from the R/T, but English as she is spoke?
Furthermore, your post assumes that, because you can't get a job elsewhere, nobody can. This is arrant rubbish. I know of many Brit pilots in the USA, Canada, Oz, NZ, etc.
So please stop talking this xenophobic claptrap and wasting our time.
Furthermore, your post assumes that, because you can't get a job elsewhere, nobody can. This is arrant rubbish. I know of many Brit pilots in the USA, Canada, Oz, NZ, etc.
So please stop talking this xenophobic claptrap and wasting our time.
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Bavarian Boy who the hell do yoy think you are? I am a Canadian citizen, hold a canadian passport and fly for a major British airline.I have also lived and worked in the U.K for 28 years. so, I ask you again who are you to say that I should be forced to quit my job in favour of you?
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For those who say how easy it is for pilots from 'Downunder' to get work in the UK need to check out the UK immigration rules. Only those who have parents or grandparents who were born in the UK can apply to work in the UK. Australia has a "Multi-cuture" back ground and the number of "Aussie's" who fit the UK immigration laws is lower than you think. Out of the 80-100 pilots from "downunder" that I know only 3 would meet the requirements to work in the UK.
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Jacksman, you are as pathetic a xenophobe as BB. Brits CAN work downunder, god knows how many do already, if you make the points reqiurement for citizenship. Being a professional (sorry, no wannabe's), and speaking English alone qualifies you for most of the required points. The "average " Brit pilot (whatever that means?), already enjoys expatriate status in most countries bar the U.S. And finally, that Aus/Italian pilot you speak of is probably me, so next time , express your views directly to my face, instead of hiding behind your fake little smile, you knob!
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I know for a fact that the US embassy has been contacting the HR departments of major airlines in Europe enquiring about pilots of 'middle-eastern origin'. It is bad enough when xenophobia comes from warped and twisted individuals but when it comes from a state body like that it turns my stomach. 
I say there boy
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Wow, Huck, you're sensitive, aren't you?
The main thrust of this thread is that the UK government has been asking British airlines about pilots of non-British origin.
If the US government has also been asking European airlines about pilots of 'Middle Eastern origin' or whatever isn't that equally reprehensible? In fact, if anything there is an extraterritorial nature about the US request which is not present in the UK government's asking its own airlines about non-UK pilots, making it more reprehensible.
That's if either of these rumours are indeed true, which they may not be.
As for the silly whingers who have latched onto this to bring up the usual moan about 'colonials' etc. working in Britain, well, that is so pathetic that it doesn't even warrant a response.
[ 30 October 2001: Message edited by: foghorn ]
The main thrust of this thread is that the UK government has been asking British airlines about pilots of non-British origin.
If the US government has also been asking European airlines about pilots of 'Middle Eastern origin' or whatever isn't that equally reprehensible? In fact, if anything there is an extraterritorial nature about the US request which is not present in the UK government's asking its own airlines about non-UK pilots, making it more reprehensible.
That's if either of these rumours are indeed true, which they may not be.
As for the silly whingers who have latched onto this to bring up the usual moan about 'colonials' etc. working in Britain, well, that is so pathetic that it doesn't even warrant a response.
[ 30 October 2001: Message edited by: foghorn ]
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Barvarian Boy/Jacksman
Good to see such well balanced people, with a chip on both shoulders! Having worked and flown in a few different parts of the globe your attitiudes astound me, a tad insecure are we? What do you think would happen to your company if all the 'foreigners' left tomorrow? I hope I have the pleasure of telling you one day as I beileve we work for the same outfit, see you in a crew room soon!
Good to see such well balanced people, with a chip on both shoulders! Having worked and flown in a few different parts of the globe your attitiudes astound me, a tad insecure are we? What do you think would happen to your company if all the 'foreigners' left tomorrow? I hope I have the pleasure of telling you one day as I beileve we work for the same outfit, see you in a crew room soon!