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Did an A340 Very Recently Land on a taxiway in Sao Paulo?

Old 24th Feb 2006, 02:10
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Did an A340 Very Recently Land on a taxiway in Sao Paulo?

Sao Paulo, Brazil Airport (Question)
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A 23 Feb 06 report that an Airbus A340 landed on a taxiway in Sao Paulo.
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Does anybody know any more?
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Matter raised in a Curt Lewis fltsafety.org newsletter dated 24 Feb
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Old 24th Feb 2006, 22:58
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Will keep an eye out for local reports and post if sighted.
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Yes.

It was an A340 from TAP Portugal.
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Old 25th Feb 2006, 12:50
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Taxiway Landing Sao Paulo

Any idea of the date, weather, time, day/night etc?

Rego?
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Old 25th Feb 2006, 13:22
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21/02/2006 21:15

SBGR 212100Z 35002KT 9999 FEW010 BKN100 21/19 Q1011 RETSRA WS
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Maybe he wanted an ontime gate arrival and took a short cut.
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Well...Although I'm on my annual 30 days leave,I'm located in Rio,very close to Sao paulo,and in contact with a few coleagues I've heard nothing of this rumor,and if you know SBGR you would say it isn't very likely...Both taxiways that run parallel to the runways are too narrow and too bumpy for an A340 to land and without being subjected to some damage...I'm pretty confident I would've heard something..
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Old 26th Feb 2006, 11:58
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Nothing I could find in the news. Guarulhos image at:

http://www.lideraviacao.com.br/signa...ulhos_01_0.jpg

Or Google Earth 23°25'50.46"S 46°28'06.87W
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Looks like the taxiways are just as wide as the runways. It's happened before, and it'll happen again. Notice from Airway it was good VMC. Presume they were approaching visually without confirming on the ILS.
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Pardon my ignorance, but I need a clarification. How can one land an aircraft on a taxyway? I mean, there is ILS, lights, markings on the RWY..... How can mistake like that happen? I don't get it...
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Red face never say never

hello chaps,

the southerly has some work in progress (as of 2 weeks ago) and the northern only got an ndb app from one direction/ full ils from the other. the vor/dme associated with that ndb is u/s.

so i guess if u were tired and got a late switch to the ndb on the right and were a bit off centre (+-5),it may even be offset by a couple, and got a late vis at decision u could just possibly **** it up and land on a taxi way. anybody who been in and out of gru in dodgy weather will testify that it can get a little bit like hard work flying that ndb procedure coming in from the nw.

unforgivable but possible.
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Runway Aversion

Spoke to the captain. Seems he had a runway incursion incident recently so he tries to stay clear of runways wherever and whenever possible.

Runway aversion. A new phobia.
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http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0988036/L/

Better view of the airport.
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Old 27th Feb 2006, 13:57
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Originally Posted by jovica
Pardon my ignorance, but I need a clarification. How can one land an aircraft on a taxyway? I mean, there is ILS, lights, markings on the RWY..... How can mistake like that happen? I don't get it...
Things which seems to be unbelievable are happening sometimes.
Some time ago (2004 or 2005) Aeroflot have landed on taxiway at Barcelona. On the first attempt they went go around due to another aircraft on taxiway (while they were sure it is on runway) but on the second attempt they have succeded with a firm landing on TWY Tango
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Seattle/Tacoma (SEA), Washington is popular for this type of diversion. In 01/04, A DHC-8 landed on Taxiway Tango which is similar to Runway 16R. Also an AA MD-80 has performed this feat.
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Coming in from the NW sector,performing a vor/ndb procedure for rwy 27L,it is possible to mistake and land on 27R(rwy's displaced)being 27R the closer one.Not to mention the final procedure leads you in on a angled approach.
There has been a few landings on 27R,having 27L as active,due to low vis/ceiling and MAP for non precision very close to runway...
Actually,you can takeoff/land from taxiways in various airports throughout Brazil,mostly on 1 runway fields.It depends on the PCN X ACN to limit that operation(max weight prob. 737/a320 limited).Landings and takeoff's from taxiways are a reality in aviation,take Ancorage for an example..low vis/poor crew CRM/awareness,workload...nothing that a proper "breifing" can avoid.
In a 3 man crew,if you have the middle jump seat guy"follow"trough..you have a extra set of eyes to help the operating crew,in any phase of flight.
Regards,be well
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Again,I'm so sorry,but if you look at the link :http://www.lideraviacao.com.br/signa...ulhos_01_0.jpg
You'll see there's only one twy in which someone could land parallel to the rwy's.And believe me there's small "hills" along that twy that would make an airplane in app speeds come off the ground!!!I can be wrong,for someone from Portugal has just mail me saying it indeed happened...weird...very weird...
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Yes it has happened, the crew concerned is off duty pending an investigation.
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On the 21st of February, an A340 from TAP Portugal landed on a taxiway at SBGR (Guarurulhos, São Paulo).
This incident is being investigated by the proper authorities.
A lot of contributing factors can be advanced: Recent Rain; height of the sun and it's direction at the time; ILS u/s; VOR u/s; phraseology (Brazilian Portuguese).
The aircraft was inspected on site and was given an ok.
The crew are suspended until the conclusions of the investigation.

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Guys...I'll take it all back...Just received confirmation of the incident from a fellow pilot from Sao Paulo...Indeed happened on Rwy27R TAP A340 landed on Twy B...after refused to accept the fact,insisted the he's not been given instruction to go around..Both pilots were dead headed back to Portugal and removed from duties pending further investigation.It was indeed a very serious incident,as there was an American or United aircraft taxiing back on the same twy.The damage happened only to the twy which isn't prepared for a landing much less of an A340...As for the causes,really,it still amazes me...It was visual at the time,and someone said something about sun glare which I find very unlikely...remember: rwy 27R in the morning ....the sun would be on his tail...Shocking....
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