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Old 19th Oct 2004, 01:47   #1 (permalink)
 
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Orient Thai B747 passes within 200m of Tokyo Tower

Just read this in the Japan paper after almost one month has passed since the incident. Anyone have any more information? Here is a link to the story but it is not very informative. Seems the crew was not familiar with the VOR DME 16L approach and over flew downtown Tokyo at 1230am. They were way off course to over fly the tower as it is in the heart of downtown.

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Old 19th Oct 2004, 04:04   #2 (permalink)
 
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Oops!

Here's another link to Reuter UK:

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle...4&section=news
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Old 19th Oct 2004, 14:34   #3 (permalink)
 
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Heard that they were cleared for a visual approach. The flightcrew however wasn't really familiar with such an approach at Haneda. Luckely they managed to line up for the rwy, and landed the aircraft. Heard that the captain probably will be suspended, and the rest of the crew will get a refresher course.
Wonder why the controller(s) didn't jump into to help, when it was obvious that the 747 was flying over the city?

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Old 19th Oct 2004, 15:22   #4 (permalink)
 
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Orient Thai officials admitted the error, saying the pilot had not been familiar with Japanese flight manuals and landing procedures.
That explains it then
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Old 19th Oct 2004, 19:34   #5 (permalink)
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c'mon folks.......does it really matter all that much?

surely, if it was a controlled visual approach, the guys at the front probably saw Tokyo Tower and were never at risk of actually hitting it........it's over 300 metres tall!

give yourselves some credit!!!!!
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Old 20th Oct 2004, 07:16   #6 (permalink)
 
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I can assure you it was pretty bloody close. I live about 400metres to the north of Tokyo Tower and it made a hell of a racket...enough to wake the dead which it obviously did by the number of lights that came on and faces that appeared in the windows of the adjacent apartment building.

I would hazard a guess that the JCAB won't be approving too many more charters by Orient Thai
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Old 20th Oct 2004, 08:09   #7 (permalink)
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"the guys at the front probably saw Tokyo Tower and were never at risk of actually hitting it........it's over 300 metres tall!"

At night time, and with hundreds of thousands of other lights in the Tokyo area, chances are it was Good Luck and not good management that they didn't hit it, because I very much doubt that they would have seen it.

This approach is not entirely dis-similar to the old IGS approach into Kai Tak, Hong Kong, inasmuch as the final approach course is at an acutely oblique angle to the runway, and even in daytime occasionally causes some problems - usually high descent rates, or overshooting the centreline.
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Old 20th Oct 2004, 12:33   #8 (permalink)
 
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I have to agree. I fly a flt that gets into HND around 1130pm. It is a round robin HND~KIX~HND. Tokyo Tower is not lit up at that time and all you have is the JCAB blinking red lights on top of the the tallest towers. It would be very easy to misjudge your position if you are not on course. This was a major crew erorr (CRM)in not briefing the approach and not knowing what to brief. A lot of us have not been to some of the airports that we land at. Do you go blind or do you insist on a full and comprehensive briefing. It's better to know before you go. I am not judging the crew I am only offering an oppinion. The uncanny thing is is that a lot of the Orient Thai B747s are ex JAL and have flown that approach a hundred times......too bad the airframes don't have a memory.
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enough to wake the dead which it obviously did by the number of lights that came on and faces that appeared in the windows of the adjacent apartment building.
Right .......
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Old 20th Oct 2004, 19:42   #10 (permalink)
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Have to ask...why are we not surprised at this type of operation from Orient Thai?
A rogue operator at best, as other incidents have been reported here before.
Doesn't say much for the Thai DCA, now does it?

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Damn Roppongi would have been closed if that had happened.
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maybe the flight engineer could have helped avert this situation - he WAS onboard, wasn't he ?
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I can confirm the flight engineer was present on this flight.
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Nimitz Hill in Guam is 216m high but that didn't stop anyone...
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