Slow news day in Florida

[Robbiee]

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[TowerDog]

They may be on to something..

[Robbiee]

Originally Posted by TowerDog

They may be on to something..

There's more to that page,...

(d) Helicopters – Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed In paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator.

Helicopter operations may be conducted below the minimum altitudes set for fixed-wing aircraft. The reason: they have unique operating characteristics, the most important of which is their ability to execute pinpoint emergency landings during power-out emergencies. Furthermore, the
helicopter's increased use by law enforcement and emergency medical service agencies requires
added flexibility.

[TowerDog]

There's more to that page,...

Yeah, I thought so. Never got no rotor wing tickets and have not studied no FAR Part 91s in years.
This tour operator, and his pilot may not enjoy the being under the FAA microscope with videos all over the
news channels with wealthy condo owners complaining.

[Nubian]

Originally Posted by Robbiee

There's more to that page,...

yeah, there IS more.

(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.

[Zombywoof]

Slap on the wrist, don't do it again.

[rudestuff]

Christ I've done far worse than that. I was expecting to see something dangerous.

[[email protected]]

Practice engine failure, Go!

Perhaps they don't think an auto to a busy road between buildings and wires is an 'undue hazard' to people or property on the surface...........

[Two's in]

Helicopter operations may be conducted below the minimum altitudes set for fixed-wing aircraft. The reason: they have unique operating characteristics, the most important of which is their ability to execute pinpoint emergency landings during power-out emergencies.

Well, as long as that pinpoint emergency landing is to a piece of real estate that is currently somewhere between your toe-caps.

In this scenario, an engine failure resulting in an auto to a busy street is the best option available, if it's a control or drive failure, it's probably into a building. It demonstrates a complete lack of critical thinking about failure modes and escape routes while operating as a commercial pilot. Two streets over is Biscayne Bay, a large, warm and shallow body of water that is almost certainly survivable in the case of an emergency ditching. Why not fly at a height and profile where you could make it to the bay? The news clip says the pilot is "very experienced" and has done this operation for some time. Well that's OK then, I've never attended the funerals of any experienced pilots...

[FH1100 Pilot]

Originally Posted by TowerDog

Yeah, I thought so. Never got no rotor wing tickets and have not studied no FAR Part 91s in years.
.

So, umm...*why* are you posting here?

[Robbiee]

Originally Posted by Nubian

yeah, there IS more.

(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.

"Undue" being the key word here. Ignore it, and every single flight I've done (even the one's to 5,000' agl) in the past twenty years was a hazard to persons/property on the surface in the event of a power unit failure.

Without that word, its like having a law that states its illegal to drive a car anywhere at a speed that's a hazard to persons/property should a tire blow.

[TowerDog]

Originally Posted by FH1100 Pilot

So, umm...*why* are you posting here?

Sorry, I forgot all about the license and currency requirements to post here, my bad.

[Gordy]

While we can all argue the pros and cons...the fact is that the public perception of what he is doing paints us in a bad light. There is no need for him to fly between the buildings to give a good tour. He is just not being the best ambassador for us all.

[Robbiee]

Originally Posted by Gordy

While we can all argue the pros and cons...the fact is that the public perception of what he is doing paints us in a bad light. There is no need for him to fly between the buildings to give a good tour. He is just not being the best ambassador for us all.

If I have to put up with the risk of "the public" crashing into my car because they were texting, or talking on their phone while driving, or had one too many glasses of wine for lunch at Olive Garden, they can put up with the risk of me flying past their million dollar highrises.

Besides, some members of "the public" were in the back seat, undoubtedly enjoying that ride. So, forgive me if I don't take this one-sided, media sensationalized, click bait, story, seriously.

[megan]

(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface

I would have thought that right there would prevent flight over any built up area, if we were to have a strict interpretation.

[FH1100 Pilot]

Originally Posted by TowerDog

Sorry, I forgot all about the license and currency requirements to post here, my bad.

Yes, your bad. While there are no license and currency "requirements" to post here, it's kind of in the description of the group itself in case you hadn't noticed (and apparently you had not): "A haven for helicopter professionals to discuss the things that affect them." Now, what about that passage is so hard to understand? *You* admit that you - 1) Are not a helicopter pilot and, 2) furthermore state that you haven't studied FAR Part 91 in "years." With that in mind, you come here and post an incomplete snippet of 91.119. And you get offended when someone (an actual helicopter pilot who actually *has* studied FAR 91 recently) calls you out on it? Many of the general FAR's that all pilots operate under have exemptions for helicopter operations. This here is a helicopter pilot forum. While we appreciate everyone's interest in helicopters, casual readers should leave posting about the subject to actual...you know...helicopter pilots.

And now you know.

[RVDT]

Fairly certain the Brickell area is inside KMIA airspace if over land. Miami Dade Aviation Department might be having a few suggestions regarding the "Fly Neighborly" policy?

[Gordy]

Originally Posted by Robbiee

If I have to put up with the risk of "the public" crashing into my car because they were texting, or talking on their phone while driving, or had one too many glasses of wine for lunch at Olive Garden, they can put up with the risk of me flying past their million dollar highrises.

Besides, some members of "the public" were in the back seat, undoubtedly enjoying that ride. So, forgive me if I don't take this one-sided, media sensationalized, click bait, story, seriously.

Hate to say it---but with an attitude like that, YOU are part of the problem. Have you seen what is happening at Santa Monica, do you ever wonder why there are no approved landing sites in San Francisco except the airport, take a look at Long Beach and all the noise issue there---you can get banned after 3 noise violations? Take a look at what happened in New York and th Hamptons. We are now also fighting thee National Park Air Tour Management Plans. Have you heard of "Fly Neighborly"?

As an industry if we continue the way he/she did in that video, we will be shut down. Try being a bit more proactive--get involved on the positive side before we lose the airspace.

Here, I will help you out:

fly-neighborly

ATMP concerns

https://parkplanning.nps.gov/project...ojectId=103175

[Robbiee]

Originally Posted by Gordy

Hate to say it---but with an attitude like that, YOU are part of the problem. Have you seen what is happening at Santa Monica, do you ever wonder why there are no approved landing sites in San Francisco except the airport, take a look at Long Beach and all the noise issue there---you can get banned after 3 noise violations? Take a look at what happened in New York and th Hamptons. We are now also fighting thee National Park Air Tour Management Plans. Have you heard of "Fly Neighborly"?

As an industry if we continue the way he/she did in that video, we will be shut down. Try being a bit more proactive--get involved on the positive side before we lose the airspace.

Here, I will help you out:

fly-neighborly

ATMP concerns

https://parkplanning.nps.gov/project...ojectId=103175

Meh, if pilots aren't willing to stand up.for themselves, then let them lose that airspace. I'm tired of bending over for this double standard and hypocracy.

[TowerDog]

And you get offended when someone (an actual helicopter pilot who actually *has* studied FAR 91 recently) calls you out on it?

Uh...
Did I get offended?
Did I claim any expertise, did I get called out?
Chill, or quit the booze before you get in the attack mode.