Pilots in court over 'sex tape'
I cannot imagine what it is like to be sunbathing and have anyone, let alone the police, filming you with neither your knowledge nor consent.
I hope it works out for the people who had their privacy violated in this way (I am not talking about the ones who had staged it).
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Hmm....from the opposite perspective, I've discovered that I appear in a number of films where the footage was taken without my knowledge or consent. Then put on YouTube! I'm certainly not a criminal; I was doing my job, flying a helicopter. But I did have my clothes on.
I've discovered that I appear in a number of films where the footage was taken without my knowledge or consent. Then put on YouTube!
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Hmm....from the opposite perspective, I've discovered that I appear in a number of films where the footage was taken without my knowledge or consent. Then put on YouTube! I'm certainly not a criminal; I was doing my job, flying a helicopter. But I did have my clothes on.
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I am confused. The pilots involved were totally unaware each time they were hovering over naked people? They claim they didn't know Pogmore was filming, but they must surely have been aware they were flying, deliberately, over naked people, and taking their time about it. This isn't what police aircraft is for.
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Heathcliffe , why "surely they would know?"
My line training was very clear that I wasn't to watch the camera screen and fly the aircraft. Our helicopter had a Velcro screen that was put up to limit your view
My line training was very clear that I wasn't to watch the camera screen and fly the aircraft. Our helicopter had a Velcro screen that was put up to limit your view
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I have no interest in second guessing the decision of the Jury, nor debating the actions of the crews. Does anyone know if there is a site on the Internet to view these videos? Solely in the interests of forming an entirely unprejudiced, independent, personal viewpoint, of course.
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I am confused. The pilots involved were totally unaware each time they were hovering over naked people? They claim they didn't know Pogmore was filming, but they must surely have been aware they were flying, deliberately, over naked people, and taking their time about it. This isn't what police aircraft is for.
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That seems a bit daft to me. Filming pilots usually look at a screen to help with framing the shot. Surely a police pilot could contribute in a similar way...
My line training was very clear that I wasn't to watch the camera screen and fly the aircraft.
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But you're not a police pilot, are you chopjock?
In fact the last I heard, you weren't even a professional licence holder? You were never qualified to fly a helicopter for the purpose of aerial work?
Maybe things have changed?
I accept that flying a drone may allow you to also look at a TV screen. As keeping lives safe is generally not involved.
In fact the last I heard, you weren't even a professional licence holder? You were never qualified to fly a helicopter for the purpose of aerial work?
Maybe things have changed?
I accept that flying a drone may allow you to also look at a TV screen. As keeping lives safe is generally not involved.
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SirK, I didn't say that they didn't know what they were doing.
Chopjock, you are wrong, a pilot may be capable of "helping" the shot, but he should be doing the flying. My point is in reply to some statements of 'fact' here, saying that the pilot MUST have been aware. Probably, but not certainly. And that mylord is the case for the defence.
Modern day courts normally require a degree of certainty before a conviction. If there is a possibility of error, even a small one, you often get away with it. Therefore these guys are now officially innocent.
In the big scheme of things, this is a minor offence. If you are angry and upset about it, do some research on how many people get away with rape and murder, even though they are bang on guilty
Chopjock, you are wrong, a pilot may be capable of "helping" the shot, but he should be doing the flying. My point is in reply to some statements of 'fact' here, saying that the pilot MUST have been aware. Probably, but not certainly. And that mylord is the case for the defence.
Modern day courts normally require a degree of certainty before a conviction. If there is a possibility of error, even a small one, you often get away with it. Therefore these guys are now officially innocent.
In the big scheme of things, this is a minor offence. If you are angry and upset about it, do some research on how many people get away with rape and murder, even though they are bang on guilty
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4468,
Are you suggesting one has to be a police pilot in order to comment on this thread?
Are you suggesting one must have a professional licence in order to comment on his 25 years experience in aerial filming techniques?
LOL
Are you suggesting one has to be a police pilot in order to comment on this thread?
Are you suggesting one must have a professional licence in order to comment on his 25 years experience in aerial filming techniques?
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Sexual Offences Act 2003.
Section 68 Voyeurism: interpretation
(1) For the purposes of section 67, a person is doing a private act if the person is in
a place which, in the circumstances, would reasonably be expected to provide
privacy, and—
(a) the person’s genitals, buttocks or breasts are exposed or covered only
with underwear,
(b) the person is using a lavatory, or
(c) the person is doing a sexual act that is not of a kind ordinarily done in
public.
i rest my case!
Section 68 Voyeurism: interpretation
(1) For the purposes of section 67, a person is doing a private act if the person is in
a place which, in the circumstances, would reasonably be expected to provide
privacy, and—
(a) the person’s genitals, buttocks or breasts are exposed or covered only
with underwear,
(b) the person is using a lavatory, or
(c) the person is doing a sexual act that is not of a kind ordinarily done in
public.
i rest my case!
