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The circuit height at Redhill is 1000ft QFE. If the cloud base is 1500ft, does the new ruling mean that the circuit must be flown at 500ft QFE in order to comply with the 1000ft vertical clearance rule?
Will the airfield permit this? Will the local residents permit this?
Or will the airfield only permit circuits when the cloud base is 2000ft QFE, so that the normal circuit height gives 1000ft vertical clearance? This would seriously reduce the number of VFR flights taking place!
Will the airfield permit this? Will the local residents permit this?
Or will the airfield only permit circuits when the cloud base is 2000ft QFE, so that the normal circuit height gives 1000ft vertical clearance? This would seriously reduce the number of VFR flights taking place!
Actually I think I've been a little unfair titling this thread Eurolunacy. The UK CAA was so absorbed with the PART-OPS changes that it entirely missed the SERA thing. They rushed out a bunch of exemptions and permissions to deal with the worst problems, and published a dogs breakfast of a document that consolidated it into one.
I'm not sure whether what is happening now is Cologne pressuring the CAA to get rid of some of the exemptions, or bureaucratic incompetence in not renewing them. One thing is clear though and that is that Redhill have been blindsided by these latest changes.
It's obvious that the solution to this is to have Redhill issue SVFR clearances. Let's hope that the meeting on 10 May is productive and common sense prevails.
Let's hope that the meeting on 10 May is productive and common sense prevails.
EASA, CAA, Common Sense.....mutually exclusive concepts I would suggest.
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Not just circuits; there is a noise abatement request to fly 1400ft as you leave the airfield to the VRP. To keep the we need cloud higher than 2400ft; not that many days autumn / winter /spring when we get that, and fewer of those are weekends when most training and pleasure flights take place.
Flying lower to / from the airfield make a rise in noise complaints look certain. That does not bode well for survival of the airfield.
Flying lower to / from the airfield make a rise in noise complaints look certain. That does not bode well for survival of the airfield.
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jivusajob. You couldn't have better illustrated the confusion which currently exists around rules of the air in the UK since the introduction of SERA.
You quote 1195 which is the correct one for class D airspace. You then posted 1067 which covers class G airspace. Some of Redhill ATZ is in class D and some in Class G. Both 1195 and 1067 are listed as current on the CAA website, but I can only assume that the aerodrome has received different instructions from the CAA hence their memo that started this thread.
If a CAA flight ops inspector found your Operations Manual (SERA) amended by an unreadable collection of FSIs (ORS memos), they would quite rightly give you a good bollocking on safety grounds. When it comes to the basic law which governs our job however, sauce for the goose is definitely not sauce for the gander.
Seemples .... NOT !
You quote 1195 which is the correct one for class D airspace. You then posted 1067 which covers class G airspace. Some of Redhill ATZ is in class D and some in Class G. Both 1195 and 1067 are listed as current on the CAA website, but I can only assume that the aerodrome has received different instructions from the CAA hence their memo that started this thread.
If a CAA flight ops inspector found your Operations Manual (SERA) amended by an unreadable collection of FSIs (ORS memos), they would quite rightly give you a good bollocking on safety grounds. When it comes to the basic law which governs our job however, sauce for the goose is definitely not sauce for the gander.
Seemples .... NOT !
I think all smaller airfields with or without helis in the South East are under threat , not from left wing lunacy but right wing avarice . As someone said houses are more valubale use for the land and what could be better for a new development than abig open space.
Redhill, Denham and Fairoaks are in areas with very very high property prices and Elstree and N Weald not far behind . I doubt they will all close but I wouldn't mind betting two out of five will be gone inside five years. Maybe even Blackbushe although thats a lot further from London
Assorted EASA etc regulations will just be manipulated/selectively interpreted to hasten the process to hasten the process
Redhill, Denham and Fairoaks are in areas with very very high property prices and Elstree and N Weald not far behind . I doubt they will all close but I wouldn't mind betting two out of five will be gone inside five years. Maybe even Blackbushe although thats a lot further from London
Assorted EASA etc regulations will just be manipulated/selectively interpreted to hasten the process to hasten the process
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A meeting took place this afternoon between the CAA Flight Operations Department and CAA Airspace Policy, they have confirmed that any Letter of Agreements in place before the SI remain in force.
In the case of Redhill we are back to operating clear of cloud, surface in sight with minimum meteorological visibility of 5000m for fixed-wing aircraft and 1500m for helicopters.
I have to say that Flight Ops have been much more proactive in this than AATSSD.
In the case of Redhill we are back to operating clear of cloud, surface in sight with minimum meteorological visibility of 5000m for fixed-wing aircraft and 1500m for helicopters.
I have to say that Flight Ops have been much more proactive in this than AATSSD.
Any Expiration Date on those Letters of Agreement?
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So our adventure is still on for Tuesday Big P? Have to take DLUX as mine is Tech (due to wrong part delivered from Airbus Helicopters)
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