MD500 Crash - Caversham, 24 March '17
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MD500 Crash - Caversham, 24 March '17
Helicopter crashes in Reading on banks of River Thames - Get Reading
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/317326...icopter-crash/
Reading helicopter crash: Aircraft crashes near River Thames after going into a spin | London Evening Standard
Helicopter crashes in Reading on banks of River Thames
Two helicopter pilots were “extremely lucky” to escape from an aircraft crash with minor injuries.
The private two-seater helicopter lost control over The Warren in Caversham and landed its side at the banks of the River Thames at 5.48pm on Friday, March 24.
Crew manager Paul Jones, the on duty officer for Royal Berkshire Fire and Rescue Service (RBFRS) said the two pilots managed to crawl out of the top of the helicopter before emergency services arrived.
Teams were called from Dee Road, Caversham Road, Wokingham Road and Whitley Wood fire stations, as well as a specialist unit from Maidenhead.
Mr Jones said: "South Central Ambulance Service was close behind us when we arrived.
"They checked two people over at the scene who had minor injuries."
When Mr Jones spoke to getreading he said the pair were "extremely lucky to escape" and it did not appear either would have to be taken to hospital.
He added both pilots decided to leave the helicopter before emergency services arrived as there was "a lot of fuel on board" and they were concerned there would be a fire.
Fortunately the vehicle was made safe and no fire started.
Two helicopter pilots were “extremely lucky” to escape from an aircraft crash with minor injuries.
The private two-seater helicopter lost control over The Warren in Caversham and landed its side at the banks of the River Thames at 5.48pm on Friday, March 24.
Crew manager Paul Jones, the on duty officer for Royal Berkshire Fire and Rescue Service (RBFRS) said the two pilots managed to crawl out of the top of the helicopter before emergency services arrived.
Teams were called from Dee Road, Caversham Road, Wokingham Road and Whitley Wood fire stations, as well as a specialist unit from Maidenhead.
Mr Jones said: "South Central Ambulance Service was close behind us when we arrived.
"They checked two people over at the scene who had minor injuries."
When Mr Jones spoke to getreading he said the pair were "extremely lucky to escape" and it did not appear either would have to be taken to hospital.
He added both pilots decided to leave the helicopter before emergency services arrived as there was "a lot of fuel on board" and they were concerned there would be a fire.
Fortunately the vehicle was made safe and no fire started.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/317326...icopter-crash/
Pilots ‘extremely lucky’ after Reading helicopter crash as witnesses describe aircraft plummeting from sky ‘in a spin’
TWO men have had an “extremely lucky” escape after their helicopter dramatically crashed next to the River Thames in Reading.
Local firefighters said both men inside the aircraft managed to clamber out before emergency services arrived.
Witnesses told of seeing one of them give a “thumbs up” to show they were okay.
But crew manager Paul Jones, of Royal Berkshire Fire and Rescue Service (RBFRS), told GetReading the pair were “extremely lucky to escape”.
Fortunately, he said the chopper did not catch fire despite there being “a lot of fuel on board”, and both men were treated at the scene for minor injuries but did not need hospital treatment.
TWO men have had an “extremely lucky” escape after their helicopter dramatically crashed next to the River Thames in Reading.
Local firefighters said both men inside the aircraft managed to clamber out before emergency services arrived.
Witnesses told of seeing one of them give a “thumbs up” to show they were okay.
But crew manager Paul Jones, of Royal Berkshire Fire and Rescue Service (RBFRS), told GetReading the pair were “extremely lucky to escape”.
Fortunately, he said the chopper did not catch fire despite there being “a lot of fuel on board”, and both men were treated at the scene for minor injuries but did not need hospital treatment.
Reading helicopter crash: Aircraft crashes near River Thames after going into a spin | London Evening Standard
Reading helicopter crash: Aircraft crashes near River Thames after going into a spin
A witness said: "It flew over quite low and circled the playing field, it then went towards the river and flew along it.
"It then started to look like it was coming into land, it then went below the tree line but we could see it go into a spin, next we heard a loud thud.
"We ran over and saw it was laying on its side, it was on the opposite side of the river to us but we could see someone over there and shouted if everyone got out ok, they gave us a thumbs up.
Luckily there was no fire."
The witness, who was at his son's football training at the time, thought the pilot was "showing off".
He said: "To be honest all those watching thought the pilot was showing off but naturally that was just an assumption.
A witness said: "It flew over quite low and circled the playing field, it then went towards the river and flew along it.
"It then started to look like it was coming into land, it then went below the tree line but we could see it go into a spin, next we heard a loud thud.
"We ran over and saw it was laying on its side, it was on the opposite side of the river to us but we could see someone over there and shouted if everyone got out ok, they gave us a thumbs up.
Luckily there was no fire."
The witness, who was at his son's football training at the time, thought the pilot was "showing off".
He said: "To be honest all those watching thought the pilot was showing off but naturally that was just an assumption.
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If it is the 500 G-MRRR, then incident has taken place at, or very close to, its previous registered address - so presumably occurred during t/o or landing.
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G-MRRR is still owned by the same family company. Was flown by member of the family, the PF didnt put enough left pedal coming into land. Ac snapped to right ( 500's will do so quite violently if you pull the power in quickly when out of wind, or better way of putting it he didnt lead with the pedal ). Ac spun round 4 times, PF rolled throttle off, ac landed heavily the skid gear collapsed on one side causing ac to rollercoaster on to right side
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H500: Assuming that you get into a spin like this in a 500, what would be the effect of then applying maximum left peddle? Is the tail sufficiently powerful to arrest the spin?
Probably a bit of a torque spike but that is infinitely preferable to crashing.
I am amazed I could survive my 500 flying listening to some of the Guru Speak being offered about the 500.
The 500 has proper tail rotor authority unlike the Jet Ranger.
Pushing the pedal works!
The Pedal adjustment is designed for the vertically challenged in life so that is not a problem.
Plainly the accident can be fairly seen as a gross failure of the Brain-Machine Interface.
The 500 has proper tail rotor authority unlike the Jet Ranger.
Pushing the pedal works!
The Pedal adjustment is designed for the vertically challenged in life so that is not a problem.
Plainly the accident can be fairly seen as a gross failure of the Brain-Machine Interface.
I can only go on what the 2 brothers have told me ( I taught them both not only Ppl but conversion as well )
Coming into land in a field ( 300m x 300m ) gone over a set of low level power lines to a house ( all other 3 sides have tall trees ) with wind on left shoulder. The idea being to turn ac into wind before losing translational lift.
I can only assume they lost translational lift at the same time as starting to pull power in which further reduced speed ( so double whammy ). They say they were doing about 20 kts over the ground. The 500 has a powerful tail rotor on a short tail boom, so you really need to get pedals in early. So can only assume ( dangerous I know ) they didn't put enough pedal in. Normally the pedals will sort it so very surprised that it didn't. Did they put enough pedal in I don't know ? The other brother said the ac snapped right then back to the left ( twice ) before spinning 4 times ( the other brother said it didn't ).
PF then decided after 4 spins to close throttle as things were getting out of hand !
As with all these things there by the grace of God and difficult for us to make a judgement from an arm chair
Coming into land in a field ( 300m x 300m ) gone over a set of low level power lines to a house ( all other 3 sides have tall trees ) with wind on left shoulder. The idea being to turn ac into wind before losing translational lift.
I can only assume they lost translational lift at the same time as starting to pull power in which further reduced speed ( so double whammy ). They say they were doing about 20 kts over the ground. The 500 has a powerful tail rotor on a short tail boom, so you really need to get pedals in early. So can only assume ( dangerous I know ) they didn't put enough pedal in. Normally the pedals will sort it so very surprised that it didn't. Did they put enough pedal in I don't know ? The other brother said the ac snapped right then back to the left ( twice ) before spinning 4 times ( the other brother said it didn't ).
PF then decided after 4 spins to close throttle as things were getting out of hand !
As with all these things there by the grace of God and difficult for us to make a judgement from an arm chair
My Cozy chair traveled from offshore over the Arctic to the Mexican Border and included lots of mountain flying and sling work so I suppose passing judgement is a bit unfair.
After all we are talking about benign weather, a confined area you described as being about a thousand feet square at near sea level....with no mechanical defects affecting the controllability of the aircraft that suffered major damage.
Admit it....trying to suggest the aircraft is to blame for the accident is plain silly.
The pilot(s) diddled the pooch!
After all we are talking about benign weather, a confined area you described as being about a thousand feet square at near sea level....with no mechanical defects affecting the controllability of the aircraft that suffered major damage.
Admit it....trying to suggest the aircraft is to blame for the accident is plain silly.
The pilot(s) diddled the pooch!
SAS
The brother who said it went right then left wasn't flying it, the brother who was said no it went to the right with no back to the left. Shows how 2 people in the same place can have different views of what happened.
Now as PF said pilot error but not sure why. He wants to get back in the saddle so I will try and find out more, but my mind is on pilot error
The brother who said it went right then left wasn't flying it, the brother who was said no it went to the right with no back to the left. Shows how 2 people in the same place can have different views of what happened.
Now as PF said pilot error but not sure why. He wants to get back in the saddle so I will try and find out more, but my mind is on pilot error
Getting back into the saddle is the right thing to do.
Learning from what happened is also a good thing.
Remembering that even a Monkey can fall out of a Tree....eases the "pain"!
They are not the only pair of Pilots that have bent a Bird.....the good thing is no one got hurt.
Helicopters can be replaced ....not so the occupants.
Learning from what happened is also a good thing.
Remembering that even a Monkey can fall out of a Tree....eases the "pain"!
They are not the only pair of Pilots that have bent a Bird.....the good thing is no one got hurt.
Helicopters can be replaced ....not so the occupants.
Next time, use a little nose down to keep the speed on during the yawing turn until back into wind - losing ETL leads to high power and power-pedal demand.