EC145 vs Bell 429
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EC145 vs Bell 429
Anyone moved from the 145 to a 429, or operate both?
Interested in a real world comparison vs the manufacturer propaganda...
Have read the relevant threads, but interested in hearing from those who have operated both.
Possible requirement for a transport role over water, in the tropics, 2 hour return trip.
Thanks BM
Interested in a real world comparison vs the manufacturer propaganda...
Have read the relevant threads, but interested in hearing from those who have operated both.
Possible requirement for a transport role over water, in the tropics, 2 hour return trip.
Thanks BM
Anyone moved from the 145 to a 429, or operate both?
Interested in a real world comparison vs the manufacturer propaganda...
Have read the relevant threads, but interested in hearing from those who have operated both.
Possible requirement for a transport role over water, in the tropics, 2 hour return trip.
Thanks BM
Interested in a real world comparison vs the manufacturer propaganda...
Have read the relevant threads, but interested in hearing from those who have operated both.
Possible requirement for a transport role over water, in the tropics, 2 hour return trip.
Thanks BM
Which 145?
H145 T2 (D2) current model or EC145 (C2).
Chalk and cheese. D2 is a completely different aircraft. C2 is just that, a BK117 with Arriels and a different cab.
D2 struggles to be the same/similar type for type rating it is that much different.
429 and 135 or 109S is comparable.
Without the IGW the 429 is not that impressive.
429 is part 27.5 exemption in some parts of the planet with the notable exception of USA and EU and 145 is Part 29.
145 D2 will be twice the price for a start.
EC145 C2 and a bit of temp are not good friends. MTOW is like coffin corner on a jet.
2 hours return with IFR reserves on both may be pushing it.
EC145 (C2) with reserve fuel tank offshore configured is a Gordian knot for example. You will be chasing useful load and loading all over the place.
Just sayin'
Like flight planning start with where you want to end up and work backwards.
H145 T2 (D2) current model or EC145 (C2).
Chalk and cheese. D2 is a completely different aircraft. C2 is just that, a BK117 with Arriels and a different cab.
D2 struggles to be the same/similar type for type rating it is that much different.
429 and 135 or 109S is comparable.
Without the IGW the 429 is not that impressive.
429 is part 27.5 exemption in some parts of the planet with the notable exception of USA and EU and 145 is Part 29.
145 D2 will be twice the price for a start.
EC145 C2 and a bit of temp are not good friends. MTOW is like coffin corner on a jet.
2 hours return with IFR reserves on both may be pushing it.
EC145 (C2) with reserve fuel tank offshore configured is a Gordian knot for example. You will be chasing useful load and loading all over the place.
Just sayin'
Like flight planning start with where you want to end up and work backwards.
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Although the EC145 offers a nice cabin, i would always prefer a Bell over an Airbus-reason is simple:
Bell does not play the game Airbus does, where the manufacturer dictates the type rating training required, even making it more complicated and expensive to do a differences training rather than a new rating...
One example:
Take a look at the EASA type rating list on the EC145, then look at the OEB-report on hoe kany hours an experienced pilot needs to move from one variant to another (not even from one TYPE to another....just DIFFERENCES training!).
Bell does not play the game Airbus does, where the manufacturer dictates the type rating training required, even making it more complicated and expensive to do a differences training rather than a new rating...
One example:
Take a look at the EASA type rating list on the EC145, then look at the OEB-report on hoe kany hours an experienced pilot needs to move from one variant to another (not even from one TYPE to another....just DIFFERENCES training!).
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Originally Posted by BigMike
Anyone have a realistic EW for offshore configuration?
Originally Posted by RVDT
145 D2 will be twice the price for a start.
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By offshore, I mean float equipped. It is not a petroleum support mission.
Pax and supplies to an island approximately 30NM offshore. Will have fuel available at the destination.
Advantages of the 145 seem to be payload, cabin area, seats.
429, Bell support?, speed, better ride?
Pax and supplies to an island approximately 30NM offshore. Will have fuel available at the destination.
Advantages of the 145 seem to be payload, cabin area, seats.
429, Bell support?, speed, better ride?
Pax and supplies to an island approximately 30NM offshore. Will have fuel available at the destination.
