New Police Helicopter for Germans NRW-Police
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Hi hueyracer,
its one thing to bring the forces in - if needed, they even jump out from a low hover or just one wheel light on the ground.
Itīs another story to park it so, that you can shut it down.
One molehole can ruin your day - and I might recal the accident - I think somewhere in south east asia, where the pilot let a passenger disembark at a footballfield and sunk in with one gear - lifted off thereafter and at the end fell out of the sky!
And if you have someone, who has a look while putting weight on the wheels on an unknown ground, thats much better than needing a trailer to get the helicopter back home!
If you have natural grown ground to land on thats quite a difference to mostly farmland, which is processed on a regular basis - often down to 1/2 a meter!
Add a little rain, which is here quite commen and youīll understand, why we prefer skids instead of wheels.
its one thing to bring the forces in - if needed, they even jump out from a low hover or just one wheel light on the ground.
Itīs another story to park it so, that you can shut it down.
One molehole can ruin your day - and I might recal the accident - I think somewhere in south east asia, where the pilot let a passenger disembark at a footballfield and sunk in with one gear - lifted off thereafter and at the end fell out of the sky!
And if you have someone, who has a look while putting weight on the wheels on an unknown ground, thats much better than needing a trailer to get the helicopter back home!
If you have natural grown ground to land on thats quite a difference to mostly farmland, which is processed on a regular basis - often down to 1/2 a meter!
Add a little rain, which is here quite commen and youīll understand, why we prefer skids instead of wheels.
Sorry Flying Bull but you have indeed been 'a little vague' justifying this massive cost. Your comments about 'special forces' just reinforces my disquiet about the power of the state.
Indeed the UK did do PFI but this was one Mr Brown keeping capital expenditure off our books which was allowed by another fudge of accounting from Europe. He didnt last very long when he tried to get re elected but sadly we are still paying for this. I wasnt suggesting our politicians were that much better!
Indeed the UK did do PFI but this was one Mr Brown keeping capital expenditure off our books which was allowed by another fudge of accounting from Europe. He didnt last very long when he tried to get re elected but sadly we are still paying for this. I wasnt suggesting our politicians were that much better!
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Hi homonculus,
massive costs - is how you see it or everbody with a normal income.
If you change the approach of looking at the costs - and start thinking about how many personal and transportation you need, to fullfill the task, i.e. a search, wou will see, that you actual can save money by using a helicopter.
The british proved it in some of the moors - droped a couple of dummies and set out a force to find them. It took them days (and you might now, how unpleasent it can be to survive cold nights...) and they even didnīt find every dummy.
Then they sent out a helicopter, which found all of the dummies in a few hours....
And abou the special forces, they are an equivelent of SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics), comeing in, when the normal police canīt handle the situation.
Hostages, organized crime stuff like that. We have a couple of bases - sure you can set up more, if you find the personal capable and willing - but that isnīt cheap either - so why not deploy them with the helicopters already there?
@hueyracer,
yeah, there are bear paws - but thatīs hardly working with retractable gear - and on fixed gear adds extra drag through every flight.
Our decission was made ;-)
massive costs - is how you see it or everbody with a normal income.
If you change the approach of looking at the costs - and start thinking about how many personal and transportation you need, to fullfill the task, i.e. a search, wou will see, that you actual can save money by using a helicopter.
The british proved it in some of the moors - droped a couple of dummies and set out a force to find them. It took them days (and you might now, how unpleasent it can be to survive cold nights...) and they even didnīt find every dummy.
Then they sent out a helicopter, which found all of the dummies in a few hours....
And abou the special forces, they are an equivelent of SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics), comeing in, when the normal police canīt handle the situation.
Hostages, organized crime stuff like that. We have a couple of bases - sure you can set up more, if you find the personal capable and willing - but that isnīt cheap either - so why not deploy them with the helicopters already there?
@hueyracer,
yeah, there are bear paws - but thatīs hardly working with retractable gear - and on fixed gear adds extra drag through every flight.
Our decission was made ;-)
Clearly there are people writing here under secret identities that mask their background but I would surmise that Flying Bull is closely involved with the operator NRW and giving clear and concise reasons why after careful consideration [which he clearly sets out] his unit decided that wheels were not for them.
So why is this information being dissed and argued?
So why is this information being dissed and argued?
Because some of us have a healthy suspicion of people who tell us they are experts and know better than we do about public expenditure. I wasnt aware anyone on this thread was dissing police helicopters, merely asking why they seem to have become so so expensive. Flying Bull is doing a sterling job but I for one remain unconvinced a cheaper machine would not have been better in terms of cost:benefit
