Island Connections and Off Shore time
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Island Connections and Off Shore time
Hi guys,
just a simple question. I would like to apply for an Off shore job with the first requirement as "Off shore experience". I do NOT have experience flying for Oil-Gas companies but I have a lot of "island connections" experience, flying in different meteorological conditions to islands at even 1 and half hour from the coast?
Can it be considered "Off shore experience"?
Many thanks
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just a simple question. I would like to apply for an Off shore job with the first requirement as "Off shore experience". I do NOT have experience flying for Oil-Gas companies but I have a lot of "island connections" experience, flying in different meteorological conditions to islands at even 1 and half hour from the coast?
Can it be considered "Off shore experience"?
Many thanks
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Think you will find that the requirement for "Offshore experience" is to satisfy the customer requirements of members of the IOGP (International Association of Oil and Gas Producers, formerly known as OGP).
In their terminology, "Offshore" flying is really shorthand for "flying in support of offshore oil and gas production", so my guess would be that the flying you describe would not satisfy them...........
In their terminology, "Offshore" flying is really shorthand for "flying in support of offshore oil and gas production", so my guess would be that the flying you describe would not satisfy them...........
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Offshore is exactly that, and if you are island hopping then that is offshore.
It is up the company hiring to differentiate between the various offshore flying that could take place.
Some might want a certain amount of platform landings, others might want ship landings the list goes on.
I would be putting in your island time, at the end of the day you have done it and unless they have specifically asked for OGP type offshore you haven't mislead them in any way.
There will be a lot of people ready to tell you it doesn't count unless it's OGP type flying because that is what they have
It is up the company hiring to differentiate between the various offshore flying that could take place.
Some might want a certain amount of platform landings, others might want ship landings the list goes on.
I would be putting in your island time, at the end of the day you have done it and unless they have specifically asked for OGP type offshore you haven't mislead them in any way.
There will be a lot of people ready to tell you it doesn't count unless it's OGP type flying because that is what they have
When I worked at ARAMCO they wouldn't consider Coast Guard guys despite all that over-water flying....to meet offshore experience requirements you need to be landing on an offshore oil & gas installation. Landing on a wobbly Coast Guard cutter in bad weather doesn't get you any credit, landing on an Island even less.
When I worked at ARAMCO they wouldn't consider Coast Guard guys despite all that over-water flying....to meet offshore experience requirements you need to be landing on an offshore oil & gas installation. Landing on a wobbly Coast Guard cutter in bad weather doesn't get you any credit, landing on an Island even less.
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The reality is that the market is 'King'. All the filters you wish to apply are moveable barriers and will reflect the needs of the operator. Everyone in the business knows that raising salaries to 'buy-in' talent is one way to solve shortage problems but the other is to pay a little less attention to the candidates history. Even Shell would allow a low timer in if you could show that the pathway to the present day was good quality experience, no accidents or serious incidents and you, his/her new employer had a training programme that would ensure competence. There are times when flying hours are not the answer and a good sim assessment will tell you a lot about the basics.
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Hello.
this is EASA definition for reference from 965/12: "Offshore operations means operations which routinely have a substantial proportion of the flight conducted over sea areas to or from offshore locations"
this is EASA definition for reference from 965/12: "Offshore operations means operations which routinely have a substantial proportion of the flight conducted over sea areas to or from offshore locations"
And therefore, since an island has a shore - it can't be counted as 'offshore' when you fly from island to island.
Offshore is offshore.
But it remains to be seen if the hiring company meant this literally and will give you a chance.
Anyway you have to start your offshore account somewhere.
By the way offshore banking is something different as flying tight curves above seawater.
Good luck with your application SLB
But it remains to be seen if the hiring company meant this literally and will give you a chance.
Anyway you have to start your offshore account somewhere.
By the way offshore banking is something different as flying tight curves above seawater.
Good luck with your application SLB
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And therefore, since an island has a shore - it can't be counted as 'offshore' when you fly from island to island.
Crab, how do you justify this peice of intellect.
If the island has a shore and you are over the water off that shore or any shore then you are are offshore
I think you might one of the people I was referring to in my earlier post
Crab, how do you justify this peice of intellect.
If the island has a shore and you are over the water off that shore or any shore then you are are offshore
I think you might one of the people I was referring to in my earlier post
This is not 'offshore' flying.
fadecdegraded -
You say -
"There will be a lot of people ready to tell you it doesn't count unless it's OGP type flying because that is what they have". I guess by your comment to crab that I am also one of those.
The original poster says they are wanting to apply for an "Off shore" job, but is worried because they do not have experience flying for "Oil-gas companies", so it is reasonable to assume that they want to apply to a helicopter company that is involved in that kind of offshore work (as opposed to e.g. Offshore wind-farm maintenance, ship pilot transfers, tuna-boats etc.)
The OP does not state where or who they want to apply to, but their location is Europe.
You state
"It is up the company hiring to differentiate between the various offshore flying that could take place. Some might want a certain amount of platform landings, others might want ship landings the list goes on. "
That may be true, but in the European offshore oil and gas support industry, it is the OGP customers of the helicopter operators who specify the offshore experience requirements for pilots flying their personnel, (not the helicopter operator)and I am not aware of any specifying it in terms of "number of platform landings or ship landings", but in terms of operations in support of offshore oil and gas installations.
After a varied flying career I had over 14,000 hours, including 1000 P1 island-hopping multi-crew heli (Falklands!), 5000 helicopter, 1000 P1 4-eng turbo-prop, a few thousand P2 oil and gas, but was still classed by OGP rules as an "Inexperienced Captain" until I had 500 hours P1 oil and gas flying in my logbook.
The OP asked for advice. You say "There will be a lot of people ready to tell you it doesn't count unless it's OGP type flying because that is what they have"
- no, the reason that people are saying it probably doesn't count unless it's OGP, is because that is the most likely scenario given the original post.
PS - Apate at post #5 and geoffers at post #8 have the best comments................
You say -
"There will be a lot of people ready to tell you it doesn't count unless it's OGP type flying because that is what they have". I guess by your comment to crab that I am also one of those.
The original poster says they are wanting to apply for an "Off shore" job, but is worried because they do not have experience flying for "Oil-gas companies", so it is reasonable to assume that they want to apply to a helicopter company that is involved in that kind of offshore work (as opposed to e.g. Offshore wind-farm maintenance, ship pilot transfers, tuna-boats etc.)
The OP does not state where or who they want to apply to, but their location is Europe.
You state
"It is up the company hiring to differentiate between the various offshore flying that could take place. Some might want a certain amount of platform landings, others might want ship landings the list goes on. "
That may be true, but in the European offshore oil and gas support industry, it is the OGP customers of the helicopter operators who specify the offshore experience requirements for pilots flying their personnel, (not the helicopter operator)and I am not aware of any specifying it in terms of "number of platform landings or ship landings", but in terms of operations in support of offshore oil and gas installations.
After a varied flying career I had over 14,000 hours, including 1000 P1 island-hopping multi-crew heli (Falklands!), 5000 helicopter, 1000 P1 4-eng turbo-prop, a few thousand P2 oil and gas, but was still classed by OGP rules as an "Inexperienced Captain" until I had 500 hours P1 oil and gas flying in my logbook.
The OP asked for advice. You say "There will be a lot of people ready to tell you it doesn't count unless it's OGP type flying because that is what they have"
- no, the reason that people are saying it probably doesn't count unless it's OGP, is because that is the most likely scenario given the original post.
PS - Apate at post #5 and geoffers at post #8 have the best comments................
The practical answer is, island hopping does not get you any credit towards the experience requirements for oil & gas.
If I were to put my aviation advisor hat on, when making hiring approval decisions, if you have <500 hours operational flying experience in oil & gas = co-pilot only. If >500 hours = Offshore Captain qualified, assuming ticks in all the other required boxes.
Island hopping experience might get you the nod over another co-pilot applicant who doesn't have any over-water flying experience, all other things considered.
If I were to put my aviation advisor hat on, when making hiring approval decisions, if you have <500 hours operational flying experience in oil & gas = co-pilot only. If >500 hours = Offshore Captain qualified, assuming ticks in all the other required boxes.
Island hopping experience might get you the nod over another co-pilot applicant who doesn't have any over-water flying experience, all other things considered.
fadec degraded - read the definition that Maeroda posted - it clearly says
what don't you understand by offshore locations? - ie if you land on an island that would be an onshore landing not an offshore one.
I have thousands of overwater hours from SAR but have only landed offshore on a couple of occasions - that does not make me 'offshore qualified' no matter how you try to spin it.
Offshore operations means operations which routinely have a substantial proportion of the flight conducted over sea areas to or from offshore locations"
I have thousands of overwater hours from SAR but have only landed offshore on a couple of occasions - that does not make me 'offshore qualified' no matter how you try to spin it.
FADEC DEGRADE,
I think the argument is being well made by Crab et al, but just for clarity - what size would you consider the maximum for an island before it no longer counts as 'offshore'?
Regardless, the fundamental criteria for the offshore experience is not to show you can land on a small area - kind of taken as read for a helicopter pilot - but that you are familiar with the operational environment.
I think the argument is being well made by Crab et al, but just for clarity - what size would you consider the maximum for an island before it no longer counts as 'offshore'?
Regardless, the fundamental criteria for the offshore experience is not to show you can land on a small area - kind of taken as read for a helicopter pilot - but that you are familiar with the operational environment.
The flight time is the flight time, what you did during the flight is noted in the log book against the flight time entry. If you feel the need to break it down, offshore flight time is always adding to your offshore total. Whilst you are undertaking sling load operations, this flight time is adding to your sling total. So sling offshore is adding to your total flight time, your offshore flight time, and your sling flight time. Offshore and sling are not mutually exclusive.