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Possibly stupid question, but.
I am ex mil and have both a JAA ATPL(A) and a JAA CPL(H)
I got my rotary license whilst in the mob, but I have never ever flown using the privileges of it since I have been flying as an airline pilot rather than rotary. It is about to expire and I want to convert it to an EASA one rather than lose it.
When filling in the CAA form, it asks when I last flew using it? Is this a problem if I have not?
Do I need to quickly use it?
I am ex mil and have both a JAA ATPL(A) and a JAA CPL(H)
I got my rotary license whilst in the mob, but I have never ever flown using the privileges of it since I have been flying as an airline pilot rather than rotary. It is about to expire and I want to convert it to an EASA one rather than lose it.
When filling in the CAA form, it asks when I last flew using it? Is this a problem if I have not?
Do I need to quickly use it?
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The JAR licence you have is already deemed to be a EASA licence.
When you convert any ratings that are not current (i.e. Require a PC to renew them) will be transferred to the back of the new EASA licence.
So you may receive a licence with nothing on the front and the expired ratings on the back.
There is no need to spend money on flight training simply to convert the licence.
The requirements to get ratings current again are the same with the old and the new licence as they are both EASA licences.
When you convert any ratings that are not current (i.e. Require a PC to renew them) will be transferred to the back of the new EASA licence.
So you may receive a licence with nothing on the front and the expired ratings on the back.
There is no need to spend money on flight training simply to convert the licence.
The requirements to get ratings current again are the same with the old and the new licence as they are both EASA licences.
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Rather not have to go and get a rating just to not lose it.
If I do have to, what do you think would be the quickest/cheapest?
I should add that it looks like I am going to go back rotary next year, and would really rather not have to get a license all again.
If I do have to, what do you think would be the quickest/cheapest?
I should add that it looks like I am going to go back rotary next year, and would really rather not have to get a license all again.
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First step, talk to the authorities that issued your JAA and find out what they exactly want. Unfortunately, not every country treating it the same way.
I went through this last year holding a JAA (never used it) ready to expire. To convert it to EASA, the authorities required a proficiency check. Since all my ratings were expired, it was a requirement to get a minimum of three hours of training to get re-typed on an expired rating. The cheapest route for me was to get typed in the Cabri G2. Training and check in three hours. Was well worth the money.
I went through this last year holding a JAA (never used it) ready to expire. To convert it to EASA, the authorities required a proficiency check. Since all my ratings were expired, it was a requirement to get a minimum of three hours of training to get re-typed on an expired rating. The cheapest route for me was to get typed in the Cabri G2. Training and check in three hours. Was well worth the money.
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Hi Canute,
as far as the UK is concerned, I believe that the references below cover your situation.
1) if you send in the SRG 1104 you will get a new EASA licence without any further training
2) if you want to renew an expired rating there is no minimum hours required anymore
3) I have seen a converted EASA licence with no valid type rating on the front.
you can never be 100% sure about these things but suggest you send the SRG 1104 which can be done on line now and see what happens before you waste money on flight training for a type you are not going to fly longer term
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as far as the UK is concerned, I believe that the references below cover your situation.
1) if you send in the SRG 1104 you will get a new EASA licence without any further training
2) if you want to renew an expired rating there is no minimum hours required anymore
3) I have seen a converted EASA licence with no valid type rating on the front.
you can never be 100% sure about these things but suggest you send the SRG 1104 which can be done on line now and see what happens before you waste money on flight training for a type you are not going to fly longer term
CAP 804, P.168
2.5 JAR licences issued before 17 September 2012, that were fully compliant with JARFCL, automatically become Part-FCL licences. The legislation requires the physical replacement of JAR licences with their Part-FCL equivalents on calendar expiry (so that all are replaced before 8 April 2018).
4.1 United Kingdom Alternative Means of Compliance AltMoC1 FCL.740(b)(1)
Revalidation and renewal of Class and Type Ratings.
Alt MoC1 FCL.740(b)(1) – Validity and renewal of class and type ratings
RENEWAL OF CLASS AND TYPE RATINGS: REFRESHER TRAINING
(a) Paragraph (b)(1) of FCL.740 determines that if a class or type rating has lapsed, the applicant shall take refresher training at an ATO. The objective of the training is to reach the level of proficiency necessary to safely operate the relevant type or class of aircraft. The amount of refresher training needed should be determined on a case-by-case basis by the ATO
Revalidation and renewal of Class and Type Ratings.
Alt MoC1 FCL.740(b)(1) – Validity and renewal of class and type ratings
RENEWAL OF CLASS AND TYPE RATINGS: REFRESHER TRAINING
(a) Paragraph (b)(1) of FCL.740 determines that if a class or type rating has lapsed, the applicant shall take refresher training at an ATO. The objective of the training is to reach the level of proficiency necessary to safely operate the relevant type or class of aircraft. The amount of refresher training needed should be determined on a case-by-case basis by the ATO
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I converted my "french CPLH" dating 1981 in a EASA license 2 years ago.
By law i must have a current medical and a current QT ( type qualification) and only after that i got my EASA license...
By law i must have a current medical and a current QT ( type qualification) and only after that i got my EASA license...
