How Would You Rate This Flying?
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How Would You Rate This Flying?
The original (i.e. old) promotional video for the MBB Bo 105. As professional pilots would you commend the pilot for his skill and adeptness, or would you assess this as reckless ?
Just looking to validate my layman's opinion.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f62_1462453922
Just looking to validate my layman's opinion.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f62_1462453922
The 105 was developed in the height of the Cold War as an anti-tank and observation helicopter. It's perceived adversary was the Russian hordes coming across the German plains. Nap of the earth flying was (and still is) an intrinsic part of that defense, conducted by trained military pilots proficient in that environment. This video highlights it's suitability for that role.
What was the question again?
What was the question again?
The 105 was developed in the height of the Cold War as an anti-tank and observation helicopter. It's perceived adversity was the Russian hordes coming across the German plains. Nap of the earth flying was (and still is) an intrinsic part of that defense, conducted by trained military pilots proficient in that environment. This video highlights its suitability for that role.
What was the question again?
What was the question again?
In Top Gear they always display a message like "this footage was recorded on a Road closed for normal traffic". This demo is clearly from before that era.
Though I notice they did have closed all meadows for normal cow traffic!!
Cheers SLB
Though I notice they did have closed all meadows for normal cow traffic!!
Cheers SLB
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This video dates back to the mid-70s. The aircraft was a production model with no modifications. It was flown by one of MBB's test pilots. Unfortunately, I forget his name. He did a number of impressive aerobatic flights as well.
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He was Siegfried (Ziggy) Hoffman and he was killed doing a Bo105 display in 1989.......or as PAXfips says it could have been Zimmermann. Conflicting articles in many places online.
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I thought that was the way we all flew in the 1960s. If the baddies can't see you they can't shoot you. The rigid head on the Bo105 just made it easier The Royals never complained - you saved them a walk!
would you assess this as reckless ?
That is a very skilled pilot demonstrating the aircraft capabilities in a very well planned/orchestrated performance. It's no accident that the camera is perfectly placed to capture the "excitement".
If that were an unplanned/impromptu demo captured on a cellphone video then I would say it is a very reckless pilot.
My two cents.
If that were an unplanned/impromptu demo captured on a cellphone video then I would say it is a very reckless pilot.
My two cents.
There have been many threads about this video:
German BO105 TV video clip
Aerobatics in a BO105
BO-105 playing in the trees
and the fatal crash already discussed here:
BO105 fatal accident back in 2006(?)
with this video:
German BO105 TV video clip
Aerobatics in a BO105
BO-105 playing in the trees
and the fatal crash already discussed here:
BO105 fatal accident back in 2006(?)
with this video:
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Charly Zimmermann was an ex army pilot doing a lot of demo flying for MBB trying to sell the aircraft to potential customers. The above video "Flying Tiger" however shows the former MBB Chief Test Pilot Siegfried Hoffmann. Siggy died when practicing low level flying for the movie "firebirds" with Niklas Cage (in Germany that movie was called " Airborne -Flügel aus Stahl).
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That accident happened in central NJ. The rumor was floated that he misjudged his altitude in the loop due to the much shorter "scrub" pine in that area as opposed to the much taller pine in Germany.
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Reaching a cyclic stop coupled with an aerodynamic phenomenon while in a slow and steep right turn is a well known problem in the Bo105. This is recoverable at altitude but it will scare the living daylights out of you. The RFM limitation section contains an explanation.
Experiencing this problem at low altitude and downwind sealed his fate.
Experiencing this problem at low altitude and downwind sealed his fate.
The original (i.e. old) promotional video for the MBB Bo 105. As professional pilots would you commend the pilot for his skill and adeptness, or would you assess this as reckless ?
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...and Puma.
how does the downwind part become a factor?
It is easier to lose airspeed going from into wind to downwind because you tend to use external references for such an aggressive manoeuvre - coupled with that, the downwind element tends to push you closer to your intended display centre and the tendency will be to pull harder to make the centrepoint.
I believe the 105 suffers from the same acceleration cross-couple as the Lynx - when you pull straight back on the cyclic, you get an undemanded roll to the right - this is compensated for by applying some left cyclic as you pull but that erodes your left lateral cyclic margins for rolling out of a turn.
The moral is - don't pull hard in a right turn.
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crab you are a stalker
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I met both pilots, I don't think your assessment of the relevance of the schoolboy downwind factors is correct in their case and really gets nowhere near the inevitability of sealing his fate ".... and downwind sealed his fate". Interesting theory about the size of trees though.
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I met both pilots, I don't think your assessment of the relevance of the schoolboy downwind factors is correct in their case and really gets nowhere near the inevitability of sealing his fate ".... and downwind sealed his fate". Interesting theory about the size of trees though.
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I didn't say 'downwind sealed his fate' I explained why being downwind on the exit of a wingover can be hazardous - but probably every pilot except you knew that