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EC225 crash near Bergen, Norway April 2016

Old 3rd May 2016, 05:56
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Saw a reference to a Press Conference today. When is that?
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Old 3rd May 2016, 06:44
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Shell have suspended all flying in Norway with CHC (at least temporarily). Some grumbling among Shell workers in the UK, who have been told to turn up to CHC as normal (this is the third CHC accident in Europe since Shell moved to them).
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Old 3rd May 2016, 07:19
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1.I know nothing about aerodynamics.
2.As a merchant mariner I have a tenous grasp of hydodynamics.
3.I presume that the main rotor continues to rotate in the normal direction, clockwise in this case, when it detached.
4. This is the case with a ships propellor when a drive shaft fails.
5. Question is why is the majority of damage to the blades on the trailing edges.
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Old 3rd May 2016, 07:48
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Well spotted Pablo332.
I already corrected my posting before you pointed this out.
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Old 3rd May 2016, 08:18
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Originally Posted by reefrat
1.I know nothing about aerodynamics.
2.As a merchant mariner I have a tenous grasp of hydodynamics.
3.I presume that the main rotor continues to rotate in the normal direction, clockwise in this case, when it detached.
4. This is the case with a ships propellor when a drive shaft fails.
5. Question is why is the majority of damage to the blades on the trailing edges.
The trailing edge has a carbon skin top and bottom separated by a nomex honeycomb/foam core and is relatively weak.

The LE spar is constructed of glass fibre roving strips impregnated with resin and is relatively strong.

Best nautical analogy from a strength point of view would be to think of the LE as the mast and the trailing edge as the sail.
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Old 3rd May 2016, 08:33
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It is very sad what happened, nevertheless, I am an EC225 driver for years and AS332 for décades, I truly rely on this Aircraft. So wait and see what is going to be published this afternoon.
By the way Johni, are you not on the Sikorsky payroll?
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Old 3rd May 2016, 09:41
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johni, what two EC225 crashes are you talking about?
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Old 3rd May 2016, 09:41
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Originally Posted by johni
Nope, I think EC make some great aircraft, but I think this is the death-knell for the 225. They only just managed to restore confidence after the last two crashes.

I think the S92, EC175, AW189, AW169 etc would easily be able to fill the gap. Sure, the 225 has good lift/fuel capacity, but at what cost?
The S92 and EC225 had some design weaknesses that caused ditchings, and in the case of the 92, fatalities. Ditto 139. Historically new types have always had design weaknesses. It seems incredibly naive to presume that the 175, 189, 169 do not. It is just a matter of time before they manifest the problems.
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Old 3rd May 2016, 09:58
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Originally Posted by HeliComparator
The S92 and EC225 had some design weaknesses that caused ditchings, and in the case of the 92, fatalities. Ditto 139. Historically new types have always had design weaknesses. It seems incredibly naive to presume that the 175, 189, 169 do not. It is just a matter of time before they manifest the problems.
"Ditto 139" ?????
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Old 3rd May 2016, 10:15
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"Ditto 139" ?????
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Old 3rd May 2016, 10:16
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Originally Posted by donut king
"Ditto 139" ?????
By which I mean design weaknesses. I'm not that familiar with the 139's accident history but if it's tail boom design issues didn't cause an accident I suggest that was lucky. And tail rotor - but as I said not that familiar with it.
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Old 3rd May 2016, 10:36
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Originally Posted by HeliComparator
By which I mean design weaknesses. I'm not that familiar with the 139's accident history but if it's tail boom design issues didn't cause an accident I suggest that was lucky. And tail rotor - but as I said not that familiar with it.
IIRC, 139 t/r blades issue. Back to this tragedy, it just 'appears' that several failures focused on MGB/ MGB area. Recall that a witness stated seeing a fire on top of the Norway 225 prior to ground contact.

And now the petition is over 20000 signatures. Have to respect the passengers (families) concerns.

Condolences to crew and pax families
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Old 3rd May 2016, 10:44
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@HeliComparator post # 368. An AW139 threw a TR blade in Hong Kong causing the whole TGB assembly to depart the scene resulting in a ditching and loss of the aircraft (no fatalities however).

Profitable event for the company concerned, they received both a hull loss insurance payout and compensation from AW.
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Old 3rd May 2016, 11:18
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Is the AIBN press conference going to be streamed online anywhere?
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Old 3rd May 2016, 11:28
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Originally Posted by donut king
IIRC, 139 t/r blades issue. Back to this tragedy, it just 'appears' that several failures focused on MGB/ MGB area. Recall that a witness stated seeing a fire on top of the Norway 225 prior to ground contact.

And now the petition is over 20000 signatures. Have to respect the passengers (families) concerns.

Condolences to crew and pax families
Yes of course it is a sensitive area, and one can understand the relatives feelings, and those of other passengers, however I dislike seeing mob rule and hysteria borne out of ignorance and the stupid idea that a brand new helicopter is somehow safer than one with a few 100,000 hrs under its belt, determine a less safe course of action. If you look at the petition signatures I would suspect that most people signing have never even seen an EC225 in the flesh. It is the sort of thing that does the rounds on Farcebook and lots of folk looking for something to be righteously indignant about, but with zero knowledge, sign up to.
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Old 3rd May 2016, 11:42
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Old 3rd May 2016, 12:02
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I fully agree with epkp feeling.
Wait and see what is going to be published this afternoon.
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Old 3rd May 2016, 12:11
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That's a fair point Mitchaa, but the petition calls for the EC225 (sic.) to be removed not the AS332L/L1/L2. Just the 225. From memory, before this accident (which I am certain now that you will find is not linked to the L2 break-up - watch this space - Think fwd suspension bar airframe attachment) there have been a ditching due to the oil pump drive shaft fracture and one ditching due to pilot error (ETAP?).

Apart from (most of) the airframe, to all intents and purposes the 225 is a completely different aircraft to the L, L1 and L2.

Unfortunately the public see the airframe and think they are all the same. They are not. Just like a B733 bears little or no relation to a B738.
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Old 3rd May 2016, 12:27
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Any Norwegians care to translate the press conference highlights for us?
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