429 sales in Europe
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429 sales in Europe
Moving on from the R44 and Iran argument on its own thread,how many believe Turkey is in Europe( "Bell claims 50 429s sold in Europe " with figures including Turkey,Russia and Ukraine).
For any Texans reading this ,Turkey is a country ,not the big bird on your Thanksgiving dinner table!
For any Texans reading this ,Turkey is a country ,not the big bird on your Thanksgiving dinner table!
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I wouldn't get too smug, as the Bosporus has often been regarded as a gateway between Europe and Asia, I think modern Turkey has always had a bit of European territory within its boundaries!
The numbers from my research/article to make up Bell's 50 in their notional definition of Europe are as follows
22 Turkey
11 Russia
5 UK
4 Ukraine
2 Slovakia
2 Switzerland
1 Cyprus
1 France
1 Romania
1 Sweden
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50 total
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22 Turkey
11 Russia
5 UK
4 Ukraine
2 Slovakia
2 Switzerland
1 Cyprus
1 France
1 Romania
1 Sweden
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50 total
==
From what I understand, many of the other OEMs also include Turkey and Russia in their "Europe" region vs. Middle East/CIS/Asia due to their buying patterns/behavior. Supposedly many of them break out China from their Asia region for the same reason.
Considering Turkey's push to join the EU.... Not considering them as part of Europe is a very "Western Europe" view of the country.
Considering Turkey's push to join the EU.... Not considering them as part of Europe is a very "Western Europe" view of the country.
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Wouldn't say this is unique to our industry. I think most people (outside of Cyprus and Greece) consider Turkey to be part of Europe.
Michael Palin offered an interesting perspective on Turkey's status as a gateway to Asia in his New Europe travelogue a few years back.
Russia is trickier: some group it into Europe, others treat it separately as part of the CIS.
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Michael Palin offered an interesting perspective on Turkey's status as a gateway to Asia in his New Europe travelogue a few years back.
Russia is trickier: some group it into Europe, others treat it separately as part of the CIS.
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These two photos are taken about 1 km apart, some 6 degrees East of the easternmost point of Turkey. The cultural boundaries, the political boundaries, and the geographic boundaries don't always neatly coincide.
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So now the question is ....how many of the 22 429s in Turkey were sold into the European part and how many into the Asian part....and ditto for the Russian sales!?
So now the question is ....how many of the 22 429s in Turkey were sold into the European part and how many into the Asian part....and ditto for the Russian sales!?
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Understood Phlying Guy. So if Bell are right then can we assume that Turkey is meeting the European Aviation Safety Agency weight limit requirements?
If not then the argument surely fails.Bell can't have it both ways!
If not then the argument surely fails.Bell can't have it both ways!
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What happened to Egle Air then? Thought they were the IR for Germany, so did it change when I wasn't looking? (Didn't make HAI last year sadly, but WILL be there in 2015) - VFR
While Turkey is in reception of some of EASA Part, as for example the Licensing (PART.FCL), it is not a Member State.
So Bell can sell them their self certified increased gross weight, just like to any other third world of aviation country.
So Bell can sell them their self certified increased gross weight, just like to any other third world of aviation country.
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What happened to Egle Air then?
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Bravo 73......like I was being sarcastic!.......all the way through this thread. Anyway as Thanksgiving is over now I guess the Turkey is finished...so end of thread.
