AW109S Hard Landing: Exmoor
GF - I'm confused to be honest.
I take it your reference to "the obvious" meaning the deaths at Shetland? Do we only seek to engage in this learning process when there is a loss of life? Further without knowing the facts around this 109 accident who knows if luck or judgement played the greater role in the avoidance of deaths in this accident.
This chasm that separates attitudes toward responsibilities is interesting. I'm not sure it is in the mind of the pilot is it? In fact actually I'd suggest that (for example) one might, as a pilot, at least an equal responsibility to flying ones wife and child around in your own Augusta 109 as you would flying a company machine with some random passengers on board. Note I echo your view of "at least an equal responsibility".
That surely becomes further blurred when private flying includes owner / drivers or owner / passengers. Further still when the consequences to others non flying would appear the same regardless of the commercial/private nature of the flight.
As I said not wanting to battle over this but it is interesting how one thread gets 115 pages of chatter around culture and something must be done... the other a shrug and an almost jokey attitude of "whats happened now, Doh!!!"....
Aside from the obvious, there is a chasm which separates people's attitudes towards the responsibility demanded by vendors of professional aviation services who cradle the lives of those who by reason of their profession are required to travel by helicopter and the actions of someone who is doing his own thing in his own aircraft with his own people.
Does this mean the latter should be any less responsible than the former? Never. But, you were talking about attitudes and I am explaining why there is a difference.
Does this mean the latter should be any less responsible than the former? Never. But, you were talking about attitudes and I am explaining why there is a difference.
This chasm that separates attitudes toward responsibilities is interesting. I'm not sure it is in the mind of the pilot is it? In fact actually I'd suggest that (for example) one might, as a pilot, at least an equal responsibility to flying ones wife and child around in your own Augusta 109 as you would flying a company machine with some random passengers on board. Note I echo your view of "at least an equal responsibility".
That surely becomes further blurred when private flying includes owner / drivers or owner / passengers. Further still when the consequences to others non flying would appear the same regardless of the commercial/private nature of the flight.
As I said not wanting to battle over this but it is interesting how one thread gets 115 pages of chatter around culture and something must be done... the other a shrug and an almost jokey attitude of "whats happened now, Doh!!!"....
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Pittsextra;
For someone who was asking in July 2012 (in private flying, in case the p*** got taken out of you in Rotorheads) which helicopter to do his PPL on you do spend a lot of time on here flapping your gums to professional helicopter pilots with thousands of hours and decades of experience about how we should fly/behave.
The owner of this 109 is well aware that we are all having a quiet snigger at his expense, with his previous it would be hard not to. But he has had another painful lesson and luckily the only human damage was pride.
Do yourself a favour and wind it in a bit, you are becoming as tiresome as Chopjock and Shell Management, other trolls with weird agendas.
SND
For someone who was asking in July 2012 (in private flying, in case the p*** got taken out of you in Rotorheads) which helicopter to do his PPL on you do spend a lot of time on here flapping your gums to professional helicopter pilots with thousands of hours and decades of experience about how we should fly/behave.
The owner of this 109 is well aware that we are all having a quiet snigger at his expense, with his previous it would be hard not to. But he has had another painful lesson and luckily the only human damage was pride.
Do yourself a favour and wind it in a bit, you are becoming as tiresome as Chopjock and Shell Management, other trolls with weird agendas.
SND
