UK NPAS discussion thread: Mk 4
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I wouldn't just drop it Coconutty. Although I'm tempted to think that it's more to do with the shooting season being fully open and keeping you too busy to surf 
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It would be a shame to lose you Coconutty, however you seem to have forgotten the PPRuNe/Eagles paradox that states;
You can checkout any time you like,
But you can never leave ......
You can checkout any time you like,
But you can never leave ......
Take care coconutty.
Have always been able to tell that you had spent a good amount of time at the sharp end.
And your right about people being silenced. Fear and trepidation are walking amongst those that remain and I know at least one cop has been axed for speaking out, there may be others.
Bon voyage..!
Have always been able to tell that you had spent a good amount of time at the sharp end.
And your right about people being silenced. Fear and trepidation are walking amongst those that remain and I know at least one cop has been axed for speaking out, there may be others.
Bon voyage..!
Behave lads...
I was amused .... disgusted..... not surprised.... [I really do not know which applies] to see that Chief Constable Alex Marshall [late of this parish..... never actually gave up] now still the ACPO lead on Air Support despite being put away in a broom cupboard at Bramshill College, attracted the derision of various members of the real press by his publication of what one chirpy Fleet Street chap called the 'bleeding obvious' .... in a set of rules by which police officers should live.
It will come as a shock to those in far off places that an ACPO officer in the UK has seen fit to find time to publish a set of rules that I thought I personally signed up to at birth and certainly endorsed on oath in November 1965.... that we 'the perleece' were were not to beat people, cheat or lie etc etc on pain of being seen as criminals.
The worry is that he, his fellow ACPOs including Mr Hogan-Howe of 'Pleb' infamy, and a lot of politicians have had their sticky fingers in the NPAS works from day one so any cosy feelings that might have been growing are clearly an illusion ........
As a certain character in the East End famously said repeatedly..... "Woss going on?"
Quoted of course with due acknowledgement of Copyright to both the Daily Mail
and the BBC
It will come as a shock to those in far off places that an ACPO officer in the UK has seen fit to find time to publish a set of rules that I thought I personally signed up to at birth and certainly endorsed on oath in November 1965.... that we 'the perleece' were were not to beat people, cheat or lie etc etc on pain of being seen as criminals.
The worry is that he, his fellow ACPOs including Mr Hogan-Howe of 'Pleb' infamy, and a lot of politicians have had their sticky fingers in the NPAS works from day one so any cosy feelings that might have been growing are clearly an illusion ........
As a certain character in the East End famously said repeatedly..... "Woss going on?"
Quoted of course with due acknowledgement of Copyright to both the Daily Mail
and the BBC
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The Andrew Mitchell saga has not helped the police and there is a public perception that the force is no more than a tax collector through fines imposed on motorists while the real criminals go free.
The fact is that the huge expense of police air ops does not make the public on the ground any safer. It's the same with stab vests/all the stuff hanging off plods belt.
Most urban crime is from Friday night until Sunday morning. It's fuelled by alcohol just like it has been for the last century.
You can look at all the police camera action movies you like but the reality is all the criminals they catch are petty crime merchants dealt with by magistrates who cannot imprison anyone for more than six months. Result is that the worst they get is three months.
I hate to be a party pooper but plods chopper coppers in their 'Klown Kaptain suits' are a waste of public money .
It would be better to assign the funds to the Air Ambulance operations in the UK.
The fact is that the huge expense of police air ops does not make the public on the ground any safer. It's the same with stab vests/all the stuff hanging off plods belt.
Most urban crime is from Friday night until Sunday morning. It's fuelled by alcohol just like it has been for the last century.
You can look at all the police camera action movies you like but the reality is all the criminals they catch are petty crime merchants dealt with by magistrates who cannot imprison anyone for more than six months. Result is that the worst they get is three months.
I hate to be a party pooper but plods chopper coppers in their 'Klown Kaptain suits' are a waste of public money .
It would be better to assign the funds to the Air Ambulance operations in the UK.
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Anyway, back to matters NPAS.
When are the management going to admit that we need more TFOs? People are still getting their shifts changed at short noticed, units are still going offline for lack of bobbies.
Up here, Unit A was short of a TFO and would be single crewed for the night. So, a TFO was sent from Unit B to stand in. Unit B is now short and was single crewed for the night. WTF??
Units are also notifying that they will be singled crewed on such and such a date. I thought planned single crewing wasn't allowed.
I've been doing this for many years, and prior to NPAS, I don't think any uit in the are had to go single crewed due to a lack of staff.
Effective and efficient.
When are the management going to admit that we need more TFOs? People are still getting their shifts changed at short noticed, units are still going offline for lack of bobbies.
Up here, Unit A was short of a TFO and would be single crewed for the night. So, a TFO was sent from Unit B to stand in. Unit B is now short and was single crewed for the night. WTF??
Units are also notifying that they will be singled crewed on such and such a date. I thought planned single crewing wasn't allowed.
I've been doing this for many years, and prior to NPAS, I don't think any uit in the are had to go single crewed due to a lack of staff.
Effective and efficient.
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Tigerfish - good to hear from you old boy! Hope this finds you well. Had a conversation with a very very prominent proponent of NPAS this afternoon during the SAR conference and he confirms what I felt deep down inside - that without NPAS or its equivalent, the stand alone units would slowly but inevitably be picked off one by one by the councils thru cutbacks or the PCC thru political meddling and ignorance. It was the best solution where the wagons formed a circle to avoid tail enders being ambushed.
Now this is an interesting dilemma for W yorks - do they swing or fly under a change of PCC? Could a lowly PCC up in the dales actually interfere with a national model?
Keep in touch on here and speak your mind.
Now this is an interesting dilemma for W yorks - do they swing or fly under a change of PCC? Could a lowly PCC up in the dales actually interfere with a national model?
Keep in touch on here and speak your mind.
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08/11/2013
Duration: 3 hours
First broadcast: Friday 08 November 2013
The Stephen Nolan programme takes to the skies in a first-of-its-kind OB, looking at the work of police helicopters in fighting crime.
Broadcasting live from the Met Police's Air Support Unit, Stephen reports live on the work of their helicopters, hearing from reporters in the skies above the capital, and finding out whether this is an effective and cost-efficient way of dealing with everything from anti-terror operations to everyday offences.
BBC Radio 5 live - Stephen Nolan, 08/11/2013
Probably like most, I'll listen later on podcast. BBC - Podcasts and Downloads - 5 Live
However, while on Dad duty taxi duties, I managed to catch the bit about the Met joining NPAS in January ... Or not !!!!!!!
Duration: 3 hours
First broadcast: Friday 08 November 2013
The Stephen Nolan programme takes to the skies in a first-of-its-kind OB, looking at the work of police helicopters in fighting crime.
Broadcasting live from the Met Police's Air Support Unit, Stephen reports live on the work of their helicopters, hearing from reporters in the skies above the capital, and finding out whether this is an effective and cost-efficient way of dealing with everything from anti-terror operations to everyday offences.
BBC Radio 5 live - Stephen Nolan, 08/11/2013
Probably like most, I'll listen later on podcast. BBC - Podcasts and Downloads - 5 Live
However, while on Dad duty taxi duties, I managed to catch the bit about the Met joining NPAS in January ... Or not !!!!!!!
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Silsoe, fantastic posting
Just managed to listen to the podcast today, a real thought provoking piece of journalism, the discussion around noise and the complaints from it, (or lack of in reality) - under 100 complaints out of a london population of 8.174million, and the wide , varied and constant work the aircraft does leaves me quite impressed at the work the met undertake.
as a taxpayer the issue of whether it is cost effective was answered aswell, they had a basic task (started in the 80`s) which is paid for yearly yet still managed to identify additional roles they could respond to (sounds like good cost-effective use of london funds to me)
The debate at 1hr 12m around NPAS did make me think though, the PCC for west yorks said they were joining in january yet the other guy said the "management had a meeting this week" and was never fully resolved....... sounded ominous.
Nonetheless well done BBC (i dont normally say that) and the Met for a fantastic insight into your world.
I wonder whether NPAS should be invited to allow the BBC into the other regions, i could see this show being a monthly (or twice monthly) event and a great platform for showcasing aviation in support of policing?.
Just managed to listen to the podcast today, a real thought provoking piece of journalism, the discussion around noise and the complaints from it, (or lack of in reality) - under 100 complaints out of a london population of 8.174million, and the wide , varied and constant work the aircraft does leaves me quite impressed at the work the met undertake.
as a taxpayer the issue of whether it is cost effective was answered aswell, they had a basic task (started in the 80`s) which is paid for yearly yet still managed to identify additional roles they could respond to (sounds like good cost-effective use of london funds to me)
The debate at 1hr 12m around NPAS did make me think though, the PCC for west yorks said they were joining in january yet the other guy said the "management had a meeting this week" and was never fully resolved....... sounded ominous.
Nonetheless well done BBC (i dont normally say that) and the Met for a fantastic insight into your world.
I wonder whether NPAS should be invited to allow the BBC into the other regions, i could see this show being a monthly (or twice monthly) event and a great platform for showcasing aviation in support of policing?.
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Sometimes I wonder if 'they' really want the Met to join the party. After all ....
National Police Air Service (NPAS) | West Yorkshire Police
... if not everyone joins, 'they' wont have to show savings of £15 million a year.
It is anticipated that NPAS will save up to £15 million a year compared to previous arrangements for police air support when all forces join NPAS.
... if not everyone joins, 'they' wont have to show savings of £15 million a year.
FFF,
The Met were always going to be a separate region but there was an understanding that they would venture outside the M25 which was part of the reason for the demise of the Luton aircraft.
As for Mr Marshall's magic "up to 15 million" savings, that was before he had any idea how many people he actually required to achieve the task - Fact.
The Met were always going to be a separate region but there was an understanding that they would venture outside the M25 which was part of the reason for the demise of the Luton aircraft.
As for Mr Marshall's magic "up to 15 million" savings, that was before he had any idea how many people he actually required to achieve the task - Fact.
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Anyone have the numbers involved in NPAS to hand?
Pilots
TFOs
Base managers
(gap here as most posts below have been created since NPAS)
Regional Managers
Dispatchers
Dispatch Managers
Management Post Holders
Upper Management
(I think it's accepted that Admin Personnel and Admin Managers would be employed within 'a force' regardless of NPAS. [as could be said for TFOs, but this is a 'numbers' post)
... Don't suppose there are any details of the tenders, costings etc of other NPAS induced extras such as the Gcap programming, hosting and maintaining?
Pilots
TFOs
Base managers
(gap here as most posts below have been created since NPAS)
Regional Managers
Dispatchers
Dispatch Managers
Management Post Holders
Upper Management
(I think it's accepted that Admin Personnel and Admin Managers would be employed within 'a force' regardless of NPAS. [as could be said for TFOs, but this is a 'numbers' post)
... Don't suppose there are any details of the tenders, costings etc of other NPAS induced extras such as the Gcap programming, hosting and maintaining?
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that was before he had any idea how many people he actually required to achieve the task
Anyone have the numbers involved in NPAS to hand?
TFOs
TFOs
This was unheard of prior to NPAS.
I have heard the number 400 as an all in figure when everyone is aboard and the extras depart.
How that breaks down I have no clue.
Does that seem to fit in with the ideas of others?
How that breaks down I have no clue.
Does that seem to fit in with the ideas of others?