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Old 14th Oct 2013, 18:10
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And what about re fact that this generation of young hopefuls that truely believe they can obtain their 'dream job' by simply paying £290?!? Perhaps the real issue here is how society has bred a generation of people that just don't get it!

Does everyone on this site believe a 'buy one get one free' deal really is such a deal? Are DFS sofas really 'reduced' when on sale?!? Come on guys. Yes morally it's preying on the vulnerable but perhaps if schools were allowed to have more than 2 people running an egg a spoon race or if computer games didn't allow 'oh sorry you died - just hit reset option' these people might start to understand the real world a bit more!

Scam? You want a scam? We had a customer who got done for a scam during the dot com bubble - 1000 people paid £3000 for a webmasters course that basically lasted 3hrs and they got shown how to use Microsoft frontpage (available for an extra £100).

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Old 23rd Oct 2013, 22:55
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Has anyone heard anymore about Senior Helicopters as I assisted a young lad who paid his money and did the flight test. I was amazed when he said it was only ten minutes. Like many hopefuls his heart lit up when he saw the ad He is a very capable guy and good handling skills.
I have seen him fly the 767 and the 320 sims and he learns quickly.
I phoned Austin Helicopters prior to his interview asking who they were, the response was all the information on the internet!!

I hope someone will let us know the latest info.

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Old 3rd Nov 2013, 18:05
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Situation Vacant: Pilot Apprenticeship Position Available | Phoenix Helicopters

I wonder if this is a case of the same scam finding its way to another area? Sounds all too familiar... be interesting to see what's in the small print and what you might have to do to qualify for the "apprenticeship".

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Old 4th Nov 2013, 12:38
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Has anybody heard any more about Senior Helicopters? Last I heard the CAA and trading standards were investigating but despite this it seems the operation is continuing. I've come into contact with a few of the victims who have paid for check flights and they're not happy punters. Every one has been told they're "down to the final ten"

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Old 4th Nov 2013, 17:56
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WC,

I'd like to hope the scam isn't spreading....

Questions I'd have if applying:

Its a three year apprenticeship to get to CPL. The company formed in Apr 2010 so this success story progressed at a lightning pace and gained employment very rapidly. (Wasn't news worthy within the company news pages either)

The link details that most costs of the training will be covered by the apprenticeship......

But then says all flight training and groundschool will be covered in lieu of salary...

It was a few years back but i managed zero to cpl in 18 months whilst working full time. So what else will the apprentice be doing?

Hope this is sincere but like the other scam, ask the obvious questions before parting with cash..
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Old 4th Nov 2013, 20:15
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It has scam written all over it. Someone has probably seen how the other lot have run their possible scam, and decided wow, £290 for 10 min trial lessons, i want some of that!

In this day and age, you have to say to yourself, if something seems too good to be true in the helicopter industry, then it will be too good to be true.


Due diligence! Do your homework. Dont lose money to these fly-by-night scammers. (If thats what they are)

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Old 4th Nov 2013, 20:47
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Situation Vacant: Pilot Apprenticeship Position Available |*Phoenix Helicopters

I wonder if this is a case of the same scam finding its way to another area? Sounds all too familiar... be interesting to see what's in the small print and what you might have to do to qualify for the "apprenticeship".

WC
Why not put the question direct to one of Phoenix's examiners? http://www.pprune.org/members/85352-timprice
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Old 6th Nov 2013, 06:16
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Fligingwings, you make a good point. It's the first we have heard of this supposed success story and if it was my company and I'd had a success story like that then it would be all over the website to encourage the young new hopefuls that the system really works. I'd say the success story is fictitious and being used as bait to draw in poor unspecting victims like the Senior helicopters scam. I really hope I am wrong. Perhaps someone from the company can come on here and clarify the situation?

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Old 12th Nov 2013, 11:03
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Senior Helicopters Recruiting

Wow they're now advertising to recruit 72 helicopter valeters who will get paid £375 per day! I might look at changing my career - I wonder how much cash you have to part with upfront to apply for one of those positions!

The plot thickens...

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Old 12th Nov 2013, 11:27
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Sounds like the fake franchise ploy. You pay us to train you how to wash a helicopter and supply you with "special equipment" to do the work.

A few £K lighter we then sell you a region where we say we have had loads of enquiries from. We download helicopter owners in that area from G-INFO and tell you it's a client base.

It doesn't matter that you earn nothing because zero is in the region "up to £375".
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Old 12th Nov 2013, 13:12
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With all three years in operation it's pretty amazing they can't even put one picture of their own helicopters or operations on the website. I'm sure PJs and the New York charter departments would not like their aircraft pictures affiliated with Senior.
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Old 12th Nov 2013, 17:15
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Or employ someone who can spell

'and the position will be past to another applicant in your area'
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Old 12th Nov 2013, 18:59
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Fligingwings, you make a good point. It's the first we have heard of this supposed success story and if it was my company and I'd had a success story like that then it would be all over the website to encourage the young new hopefuls that the system really works. I'd say the success story is fictitious and being used as bait to draw in poor unspecting victims like the Senior helicopters scam. I really hope I am wrong. Perhaps someone from the company can come on here and clarify the situation?

WC
Did you bother to read my post?
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Old 13th Nov 2013, 12:03
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What an absolute disgrace to our industry. These people should be ashamed of themselves. How do you sleep at night Mr Senior?

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Old 13th Nov 2013, 13:45
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Usually people with this kind of businessplan and attitude do not even associate any wrongdoing with this...

He enjoys his monthly pay-cheque i bet.
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Old 12th Dec 2013, 16:23
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Phoenix Helicopter Apprenticeship { the facts)

A quick response for the benefit off willicopter and helimutt and anyone else concerned about our apprenticeship scheme.

Apologies for delay in replying but I don’t use this site very much as it rarely hosts any accuracy. I am Paul Andrews from Phoenix Helicopter Academy and to clarify our position:
Our Apprenticeship Scheme is completely genuine, apprentices do NOT have to part with ANY Money for our training, their only costs are outside costs of for a CAA medical and the Distance Learning Providers ground school outside our training environment, it’s a three year apprenticeship to cover the full 185 hours flying required, we have at present two on our 2013 enrolment, one has done 40 hours flying this year and one has done around 50. (AT NO COST TO THEMSELVES).
We do not expect anyone to pay for any elements of their flying on the basis that we may pay for other elements. It’s all included. We only intend to take on one person for the 2014 enrolment.
The vacancy has been running on our web site for over a month and we have moved to the interview stage for our 2014 intake. No pre-entry requirements have been expected.
As to why we have not added a news item about our first apprentice joining the North Sea, This was at his request.
If anyone has any real concerns apart from thoughts that have made up their mind and jumped to their opinions prior to assessing the facts please don’t hesitate to contact me. My email is on the vacancy advert.
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Old 12th Dec 2013, 16:34
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Originally Posted by helipaul

Apologies for delay in replying but I don’t use this site very much as it rarely hosts any accuracy.
Oh really?

I have found the exact opposite to be true.
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Old 12th Dec 2013, 16:47
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To refer to something as a 'scam' without checking its validity could hardly be regarded as accurate research?
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Old 12th Dec 2013, 16:57
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Hmm, yes. You would be right of course if it wasn't for that little penchant you have for accuracy and with regard to which please note Willicopter's words/exclamations in bold.

Originally Posted by willicopter

I wonder if this is a case of the same scam finding its way to another area ?
What is important however is that you are trying to provide some assurance that you are not ripping people off and which, on the surface, (and I emphasise the latter) seems reasonable.

The derogatory remark about Rotorheads was however (in my view) not only unnecessary but more significantly, factually incorrect. The forum is advertised as a "rumour network" but in practice trades in high volumes of factually accurate information.
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