UK SAR 2013 privatisation: the new thread
The reason for this is the 139 is classed as an open cockpit aircraft (in so much as it is not suitably isolated from the cabin), and therefore the carriage of casualties with a contagious condition is prohibited.
Just open the cockpit windows, crack the back door and you have a forced air system to keep the nasty germs away from the pilots
Well it works when someone in the cockpit farts
Can't quite believe such a pathetic excuse for not using the 139 - I'm sure the crews are rather embarrassed.
Well it works when someone in the cockpit farts
Can't quite believe such a pathetic excuse for not using the 139 - I'm sure the crews are rather embarrassed.
"""""Just open the cockpit windows, crack the back door and you have a forced air system to keep the nasty germs away from the pilots
Well it works when someone in the cockpit farts
Can't quite believe such a pathetic excuse for not using the 139 - I'm sure the crews are rather embarrassed.""""
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Opening the windows and doors and blowing the bacteria all round the aircraft is probably the stupidest thing you could do.
The piece below and the link about a young man from our area who contracted the disease when under a year old say it all. The effect of a crew member or a member of the maintenance team taking this back to their own family does not bare thinking about.
Maybe somebody did a risk assessment and got it right.
I doubt the crews have anything to be embarrassed about.
The Responder’s Guide to Meningitis
BY KEVIN T. COLLOPY, BA, FP-C, CCEMT-P, NREMT-P, WEMT, SCOTT R. SNYDER, BS, NREMT-P, SEAN M. KIVLEHAN, MD, MPH, NREMT-P ON DEC 1, 2012
"Following the transport of any suspected meningitis patient, regardless of etiology, or the interfacility transport of a confirmed bacterial meningitis case, thorough decontamination of the ambulance and transport stretcher is essential. There are many commercial chemical cleaning solutions; however, a 1-to-100 bleach-to-water solution is effective as well. If you use a commercial solution, be sure to follow the manufacturer’s cleaning recommendations.
Inside the ambulance, every horizontal and vertical surface needs proper cleaning. The need for this was highlighted in a 2008 study that tested for the presence of bacteria on the surfaces of ambulance patient compartments and found that all surfaces tested positive not only for bacterial growth, but for four identified bacteria prone to antibiotic resistance.8 Then in 2009, 1 of 3 EMS provider stethoscopes tested positive for MRSA-resistant bacteria.9 The message: Don’t forget to clean your stethoscope as well. Failure to properly decontaminate surfaces a patient touches risks infecting other patients."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-ballet.html
MENINGITIS survivor Harvey Phillips is getting a big kick from being in his football squad.
The battling football fan is a member of Louth Old Boys under-8s team – seven years after courageously surviving the meningococcal strain of the disease.
Despite having his lower limbs and part of his arms amputated by surgeons, Harvey has enjoyed being a team member and has completed his first season with the Old Boys.
He took part in a football tournament organised by the club which attracted 1,200 people to Louth's London Road Pavilion.
On the first day of the two-day event, 75 teams took part, including Harvey's squad.
His dad Darren said: "They have had a great season and Harvey has loved being able to play football with his friends."
Well it works when someone in the cockpit farts
Can't quite believe such a pathetic excuse for not using the 139 - I'm sure the crews are rather embarrassed.""""
[email protected]
Opening the windows and doors and blowing the bacteria all round the aircraft is probably the stupidest thing you could do.
The piece below and the link about a young man from our area who contracted the disease when under a year old say it all. The effect of a crew member or a member of the maintenance team taking this back to their own family does not bare thinking about.
Maybe somebody did a risk assessment and got it right.
I doubt the crews have anything to be embarrassed about.
The Responder’s Guide to Meningitis
BY KEVIN T. COLLOPY, BA, FP-C, CCEMT-P, NREMT-P, WEMT, SCOTT R. SNYDER, BS, NREMT-P, SEAN M. KIVLEHAN, MD, MPH, NREMT-P ON DEC 1, 2012
"Following the transport of any suspected meningitis patient, regardless of etiology, or the interfacility transport of a confirmed bacterial meningitis case, thorough decontamination of the ambulance and transport stretcher is essential. There are many commercial chemical cleaning solutions; however, a 1-to-100 bleach-to-water solution is effective as well. If you use a commercial solution, be sure to follow the manufacturer’s cleaning recommendations.
Inside the ambulance, every horizontal and vertical surface needs proper cleaning. The need for this was highlighted in a 2008 study that tested for the presence of bacteria on the surfaces of ambulance patient compartments and found that all surfaces tested positive not only for bacterial growth, but for four identified bacteria prone to antibiotic resistance.8 Then in 2009, 1 of 3 EMS provider stethoscopes tested positive for MRSA-resistant bacteria.9 The message: Don’t forget to clean your stethoscope as well. Failure to properly decontaminate surfaces a patient touches risks infecting other patients."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-ballet.html
MENINGITIS survivor Harvey Phillips is getting a big kick from being in his football squad.
The battling football fan is a member of Louth Old Boys under-8s team – seven years after courageously surviving the meningococcal strain of the disease.
Despite having his lower limbs and part of his arms amputated by surgeons, Harvey has enjoyed being a team member and has completed his first season with the Old Boys.
He took part in a football tournament organised by the club which attracted 1,200 people to Louth's London Road Pavilion.
On the first day of the two-day event, 75 teams took part, including Harvey's squad.
His dad Darren said: "They have had a great season and Harvey has loved being able to play football with his friends."
Last edited by ericferret; 24th Apr 2015 at 14:42.
So opening the windows and doors and blowing the bacteria all round the aircraft is probably the stupidest thing you could do.
is supposed to indicate a joke
Suggest you read the Daily Mail link and then tell me how f*cki*g funny it is.
So the bit about the crews being embarrassed and this being a apathetic excuse is funny as well.
There is only one thing pathetic and embarrassing about this situation try looking in the mirror.
So the bit about the crews being embarrassed and this being a apathetic excuse is funny as well.
There is only one thing pathetic and embarrassing about this situation try looking in the mirror.
Last edited by ericferret; 24th Apr 2015 at 15:00.
Ah, a Daily Mail reader - that explains the lack of sense of humour and the need to take offence by proxy for events you had nothing to do with.
No one said meningitis was funny - it's a horrible disease especially for children - how would you feel if your child was sick and an ambulance (or in this case a helicopter) crew refused to transport them to hospital?
Disinfecting a SAR aircraft is a normal procedure since all sorts of bodily fluids end up in the back as well as on the crew.
What is pathetic is that the reason for not taking the child was the lack of a separate cockpit, something I don't think any SAR or Air Ambulance helicopter has.
No one said meningitis was funny - it's a horrible disease especially for children - how would you feel if your child was sick and an ambulance (or in this case a helicopter) crew refused to transport them to hospital?
Disinfecting a SAR aircraft is a normal procedure since all sorts of bodily fluids end up in the back as well as on the crew.
What is pathetic is that the reason for not taking the child was the lack of a separate cockpit, something I don't think any SAR or Air Ambulance helicopter has.
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... the lack of a separate cockpit, something I don't think any SAR or Air Ambulance helicopter has.
Agusta Westland AW189
That'll boost the CRM no end
At least on the Sea King the rear crew can come up and punch the pilots if they do anything stupid
Perhaps Shetlander only has experience of RN Sea Kings
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Your inexperience shines through with virtually every post you make. I very much doubt you have any hours flying the Sea King yet you feel qualified to make such ridiculous statements. Just stop it.
Your inexperience shines through with virtually every post you make. I very much doubt you have any hours flying the Sea King yet you feel qualified to make such ridiculous statements. Just stop it.
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Dangle the bait and someone always bites.
You are all right. No hours on an ageing seaking, however it doesn't stop me casting my opinion. If it's not a shared opinion then that's not my problem.
If I quote Crab...
Will await the backlash from those who think they are high and mighty....
You are all right. No hours on an ageing seaking, however it doesn't stop me casting my opinion. If it's not a shared opinion then that's not my problem.
If I quote Crab...
The is supposed to indicate a joke
is supposed to indicate a joke
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No hours on Sea Kings yet you regularly feel happy to impugn those who have contributed to the aircraft’s success over many decades.
As life goes on young man you may learn to build some subtlety into your supposed fishing trips. Grow up.
As life goes on young man you may learn to build some subtlety into your supposed fishing trips. Grow up.
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Getting back to the debate a wee while back; the 'open cockpit' description comes from the CAA (I believe) and prohibits the crews carrying certain medical cases. I may be incorrect in this assumption though. There is a distinct difference from contamination with bodily fluids, a common problem for all SAR aircraft, and contamination with an airborne virus/bacteria. Transfer from the IoW by air is 5 mins, but on a ferry it's less than 30 mins. I could understand the necessity to go by air if it was from Barra, or a rig or the Isles of Scilly, but an ambulance on a ferry across the Solent ain't that bad.
The AW189 has a partition from the cabin (similar to that found on a London Black cab- the jokes have already started ".....you never guess who I had onboard last night, guv'nor), due to a CAA requirement in order to use NVG in the cockpit. or so i believe
The AW189 has a partition from the cabin (similar to that found on a London Black cab- the jokes have already started ".....you never guess who I had onboard last night, guv'nor), due to a CAA requirement in order to use NVG in the cockpit. or so i believe
Crab to get back to airflow in the Seaking. Funny on the S61n the airflow was from the cabin to cockpit, not at all good if there are bugs floating around. Not good on rig runs with 19 or so curries fermenting in the back, one of the better reasons for suiting the pax.
