UK NPAS discussion: new thread

Either that or the sales director at PAS will be looking for a Xmas bonus..!

[SilsoeSid]

Perhaps the engineers have simply moved over to ECPM.
Full story required methinks

Only got info third hand.
However the info I got was that they (engineers) weren't convinced by npas HR people about future of the unit and tupe situation. Thus gone to pastures new (outside of police aviation).
They defo AOG at the moment, WYP been doing jobs for them.

[Wagging Finger]

SS check PM

[DaveE]

Morris. Only one has gone and he was leaving to go back to NZ anyway. We are allowed holidays you know and will return when our AOG part arrives.

[Coconutty]

DaveE -: Out of interest - What's the part ?

[Coconutty]

Just heard it's the Gearbox - fond memories of a visit to the European Distribution Centre -
where a newly delivered Transmission took pride of place ( in days gone by when they were in short supply ! ).

Ah the rumour mill got ahead of itself ooop north then. Our unit heard the last one out had turned off the lights.
lol.
Glad to hear SYP still fighting..!

Part A - job description.

Sec 4.
"to participate in the promotion of NPAS to the public and to the client police services in order to maintain a positive perception of the national police air support service role".

[Coconutty]

That's an interesting requirement of the post

It sort of says, in not so many words, "You can only have a job with NPAS as long as you are "on board",
and don't go moaning about how the original spin of Improved efficiency
and reduced costs has actually turned into less efficient and more expensive etc etc etc.

Bet there's some more gems in the rest of the job description too

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[Pojafo]

After seeing the proposed observer shift patterns I can't believe many would have much good to say about NPAS.
Actually, if they do stick to the proposed shift pattern for the 19 hour bases they may struggle to retain observers at all.... whoever drafted that pattern seems to be under the illusion the observers live purely to come to work... And will never suffer fatigue!

[Wagging Finger]

Having seen some of the neighbourhood policing shift patterns, I'll stick with the NPAS 19 hour one thanks, I'd rather be happy with job satisfaction and tired than undervalued, overworker and tired!! Oh and I know I will be finishing on time with ASU.

[Pojafo]

It depends on the personal situation and your force shift patterns you will return to, personally, I have a family and I know me being at work 7 days/ nights in a row on the npas pattern will not go down well at all at home!
There are some good points raised on the Polka forum in the rosters topic... Such as the current resourcing being so frugal there is insufficient cover for everyone to take their leave, and reverting to 7 days on duty goes against all advice on staff health and well being.

[Fly_For_Fun]

Unfortunately health and well being does not save money.

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But then again neither does NPAS, Just found out that TVP will be paying more under NPAS for 1 Aircraft than they did under CASU for 2 Aircraft

[MightyGem]

Just found out that TVP will be paying more under NPAS for 1 Aircraft than they did under CASU for 2 Aircraft

Why does that not surprise me.

they may struggle to retain observers

From what I've heard, that may be the case anyway.

[Wagging Finger]

Just found out that TVP will be paying more under NPAS for 1 Aircraft than they did under CASU for 2 Aircraft

If NPAS is doing 'borderless tasking' surely that means that TVP like all other forces is actually paying for 23 aircraft, not one?

[Gas Generator]

Wagging, when a task comes up only one aircraft will be despatched.

TVP will be paying for just that response not 23 responses. Because of the central control system that aircraft will inevitably get on scene late, and not in a position to offer a resolution. The force will end up paying for transit times and will not benefit from the marvelous 'service' that the 2 TVP aircraft and the crews now give those forces, that area and the very important - public.

Your arguments are all 'politically correct' - blinkered, and not necessarily accurate, as were your observations about TFO's v neighbourhood policing. You will probably find no officer on the beat willing to stay an extra 5 hours collating digital evidence for no pay and no benefits other than, love of the job and the realisation that air support counts and brings in prisoners etc - results.

And that is - priceless, and that is going to be lost.....

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If NPAS is doing 'borderless tasking' surely that means that TVP like all other forces is actually paying for 23 aircraft, not one?

CASU have always operated border-less tasking, but once the East base and Surrey have gone!! Just where is that next Aircraft going to come from?

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