Slow death of airmanship.
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Slow death of airmanship.
For my entire career I have found myself surrounded by professional helicopter pilots. Initially they collectively appeared to be a very capable engaged and professional group.
My previously high impression of professional helicopter pilots has been wavering of late.
At first I thought my descending impression was unfairly influenced by the individuals I currently work with, but maybe not. I think maybe there is a broader trend.
I too easily fell into the trap of blaming restrictive safety and fatigue management systems and subsequently began to feel some sympathy for the pilots doing their best to function in a restrictive work environment. However when I looked more dispassionately at my current work place, I concluded that this is not the cause of an observed decline in airmanship.
It seems to me that there is a broad cultural problem. This cultural problem is leading the restrictions pilots place on their selves rather than the pilots being restricted by systems and procedures imposed on them by their employer.
I have seen Professional Pilots unable to interpret a flight manual and a minimum equipment list. Leading to phone calls to the flight standards department whilst operationally deployed.
I have seen pilots certify for ‘Pilot approved maintenance’ without ever carrying out that maintenance.
I consistently see pilots skip a pre- flight check of the aircraft. (The first thing you learn when learning to fly)
Airmanship is in decline. Pilots no longer deserve the respect and trust once earned by their predecessors.
Please reply and tell me why I am wrong! It might improve my bleak view of the world. PPrune might start a new category for counselling jaded aviators.
My previously high impression of professional helicopter pilots has been wavering of late.
At first I thought my descending impression was unfairly influenced by the individuals I currently work with, but maybe not. I think maybe there is a broader trend.
I too easily fell into the trap of blaming restrictive safety and fatigue management systems and subsequently began to feel some sympathy for the pilots doing their best to function in a restrictive work environment. However when I looked more dispassionately at my current work place, I concluded that this is not the cause of an observed decline in airmanship.
It seems to me that there is a broad cultural problem. This cultural problem is leading the restrictions pilots place on their selves rather than the pilots being restricted by systems and procedures imposed on them by their employer.
I have seen Professional Pilots unable to interpret a flight manual and a minimum equipment list. Leading to phone calls to the flight standards department whilst operationally deployed.
I have seen pilots certify for ‘Pilot approved maintenance’ without ever carrying out that maintenance.
I consistently see pilots skip a pre- flight check of the aircraft. (The first thing you learn when learning to fly)
Airmanship is in decline. Pilots no longer deserve the respect and trust once earned by their predecessors.
Please reply and tell me why I am wrong! It might improve my bleak view of the world. PPrune might start a new category for counselling jaded aviators.
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Unlikevice, you may have noticed your lack of responses. There has been over 141 views. Though your topic is good and deserves some attention you have to forgive for our lack of motivation. This website in general has been the victim of more then one "reporter" or such that will come here under the guise of a person in the industry, give baiting questions, assimilate the responses and then have the gall to report it as news. You have only 1 post, nothing in your profile so you may have to work a bit harder to blend in. If I am wrong I will be the 1st to apologize to you.
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Slow death of airmanship.
I don't believe any of those failings you list fall under the banner of 'airmanship,' more like low calibre pilots with poor personal standards!
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Big words from someone not even in the job.
For example, "I have seen Professional Pilots unable to interpret a flight manual and a minimum equipment list. Leading to phone calls to the flight standards department whilst operationally deployed."
More details please, do you really know what was said to the department or just interpreted things wrongly? Weren't they just calling up to inform someone of the problem? Why is there something wrong with calling someone to clear things up or for further advice?
Also, "I consistently see pilots skip a pre- flight check of the aircraft" could simply mean that he doesn't actually see these people do a pre-flight, not that they haven't done one! Is he on the shoulder of these pilots, following their every move and action?
"For my entire career I have found myself surrounded by professional helicopter pilots"
I suspect unlikevice is the sort of person that has been doing their job too long and has the opinion he knows someone elses job job better than they do. In his view, S.O.P. stands for 'Statement of the Oldest Person'!
For example, "I have seen Professional Pilots unable to interpret a flight manual and a minimum equipment list. Leading to phone calls to the flight standards department whilst operationally deployed."
More details please, do you really know what was said to the department or just interpreted things wrongly? Weren't they just calling up to inform someone of the problem? Why is there something wrong with calling someone to clear things up or for further advice?
Also, "I consistently see pilots skip a pre- flight check of the aircraft" could simply mean that he doesn't actually see these people do a pre-flight, not that they haven't done one! Is he on the shoulder of these pilots, following their every move and action?
"For my entire career I have found myself surrounded by professional helicopter pilots"
I suspect unlikevice is the sort of person that has been doing their job too long and has the opinion he knows someone elses job job better than they do. In his view, S.O.P. stands for 'Statement of the Oldest Person'!
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Maybe there are a few issues here.
Maybe the jaded unlikevice is having a bad day and is imagining things.
OR
Maybe the pilots he has been exposed to in the dark past were ex-military, well trained and handpicked from the finest stock.
Nowadays any drip that has a daddy who can pay for flying lessons gets a job.
Why do you think we need such robust systems and procedures? It is to compensate for the standard of pilot we see today.
Pilots are no longer beyond reproach. The crew that unlikevice refer need a kick in the pants and some further education.
Maybe the jaded unlikevice is having a bad day and is imagining things.
OR
Maybe the pilots he has been exposed to in the dark past were ex-military, well trained and handpicked from the finest stock.
Nowadays any drip that has a daddy who can pay for flying lessons gets a job.
Why do you think we need such robust systems and procedures? It is to compensate for the standard of pilot we see today.
Pilots are no longer beyond reproach. The crew that unlikevice refer need a kick in the pants and some further education.
Perhaps only one hind end needs kicking, Shy!
If one performs in a truly professional manner and demonstrates excellent "airmanship"....perhaps it will rub off on others.
Just as in religion...don't tell me you are a Christian....show me by the way you live your life. I will figure it out for myself by observation and perhaps decide to follow your lead.
If one performs in a truly professional manner and demonstrates excellent "airmanship"....perhaps it will rub off on others.
Just as in religion...don't tell me you are a Christian....show me by the way you live your life. I will figure it out for myself by observation and perhaps decide to follow your lead.
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I suspect the robust systems & procedures are in part due to a desire to learn lessons from past errors, not repeat them, and in very large part due to the blaim/claim culture in which we now live. It is not just pilots who are "no longer trusted" to make the right decisions. Police, medical staff, lawyers, accountants, etc all have their equivalent "operations manuals" which grow daily in volume and decrease daily in relevance and clarity. You can't be fired, sued or jailed for sticking to the rules; you can for interpreting them and being judged with the benefit of 20:20 hindesight.
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You can write what you like in the company operations manual. The only thing that is good for is hanging someone out to dry when required.
It is the Company culture that mainly determines the action and behaviour and attitudes of the staff.
If it becomes normal for the pilot to delegate certain tasks that the pilot is clearly expected to personally carry out as directed by the operations manual, then that is what will and does happen.
If it becomes normal for pilots to skip certain tasks, then that is what will happen.
SASless is onto it. Good leadership is the answer. We are missing that. The senior pilot is a baby that thinks he knows, makes all the right noises, but is still just a pup. He has huge potential but I don’t know how he is going to reach his personal best without a good mentor. Our company does not seem to have such a mentor. We seem to have chosen staff that will fit in, rather than bring experience and standards of airmanship. We even psychologically test prospective employees to make sure they are ready to follow rather than lead.
It is the Company culture that mainly determines the action and behaviour and attitudes of the staff.
If it becomes normal for the pilot to delegate certain tasks that the pilot is clearly expected to personally carry out as directed by the operations manual, then that is what will and does happen.
If it becomes normal for pilots to skip certain tasks, then that is what will happen.
SASless is onto it. Good leadership is the answer. We are missing that. The senior pilot is a baby that thinks he knows, makes all the right noises, but is still just a pup. He has huge potential but I don’t know how he is going to reach his personal best without a good mentor. Our company does not seem to have such a mentor. We seem to have chosen staff that will fit in, rather than bring experience and standards of airmanship. We even psychologically test prospective employees to make sure they are ready to follow rather than lead.
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We even psychologically test prospective employees to make sure they are ready to follow rather than lead.
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Unvicelike. Welcome to Rororheads. I agree with your observations.
You only have to read some of the threads here that involve incidents clearly caused by lack of airmanship. Unfortunately there are also apologists here who will always disagree with observations such as yours. Just be warned that I have been ridiculed (as will you be) for suggesting that some recent examples of bad airmanship were simply that - bad airmanship.
I think part of the problem is that training today just not emphasise airmanship. A big part of airmanship is simply consideration for others and when society does not consider that important it is hardly surprising that it is a value that is disappearing generally.
You only have to read some of the threads here that involve incidents clearly caused by lack of airmanship. Unfortunately there are also apologists here who will always disagree with observations such as yours. Just be warned that I have been ridiculed (as will you be) for suggesting that some recent examples of bad airmanship were simply that - bad airmanship.
I think part of the problem is that training today just not emphasise airmanship. A big part of airmanship is simply consideration for others and when society does not consider that important it is hardly surprising that it is a value that is disappearing generally.
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unlikevice,
you could easily be an australian cricketer, if there is such a thing at the moment, describing something comprehensively short of mentors, leadership, fitness but this bit especially tickled me.
they're not short on body jewelry, ego or slothfulness, the other side have fitness, professionalism, some humility, team spirit and dedication aplenty, they deserve all the credit they have earnt.
what our /your guys need is a bit of Barassi and a few laps of the SCG every morning, why don't you suggest that to your bosses, get out there and lead 'em around.
cheers tet
you could easily be an australian cricketer, if there is such a thing at the moment, describing something comprehensively short of mentors, leadership, fitness but this bit especially tickled me.
The senior pilot is a baby that thinks he knows, makes all the right noises, but is still just a pup.
what our /your guys need is a bit of Barassi and a few laps of the SCG every morning, why don't you suggest that to your bosses, get out there and lead 'em around.
cheers tet
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Epiphany, it appears that without knowing anything about me, you refer to myself as an "apologist"?
I run a single pilot, single man flying operation. As in I do everything, from the initial flight request telephone call. I do all the aircraft inspections, I tow it out, do all the flying, put it back in the hangar after the job is done and do all the paperwork. I have no ops setup and no local engineering backup. The aircraft does not get looked at by an engineer in between 50 hour/3 monthly checks. No-one except me opens a cowling.
I am very much aware that if my personal standards slip, I have no safety net either in front or behind me. As I said, I intend to make my retirement (not too far over the horizon) safely, so I cannot let them slip.
I apologise for no-one else because I have no-one else to apologise for.
And you? Do you fly, or have a licence?
I run a single pilot, single man flying operation. As in I do everything, from the initial flight request telephone call. I do all the aircraft inspections, I tow it out, do all the flying, put it back in the hangar after the job is done and do all the paperwork. I have no ops setup and no local engineering backup. The aircraft does not get looked at by an engineer in between 50 hour/3 monthly checks. No-one except me opens a cowling.
I am very much aware that if my personal standards slip, I have no safety net either in front or behind me. As I said, I intend to make my retirement (not too far over the horizon) safely, so I cannot let them slip.
I apologise for no-one else because I have no-one else to apologise for.
And you? Do you fly, or have a licence?
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I don't believe that I mentioned your name old boy but if you believe that the cap fits...
I do actually but don't tell my parents as they would be devastated - they think that I am a pianist in a whore house.
And you? Do you fly, or have a licence?
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if you believe that the cap fits...
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Earl - one of the reasons that I feel qualified to comment is that I have travelled. In fact I have flown helicopters on every continent over the past 30 odd years and in my opinion standards have generally dropped markedly over that time.
I trained in the Army and my instructor was a stickler for airmanship. He also carried a metal ruler in his nav bag which came out when I demonstrated a lack of airmanship so I learned quickly. He would probably find himself in big trouble in todays nanny state (he is probably turning in his grave) but he taught me some valuable lessons and I know bad airmanship when I see it.
Shyte talk - then why on earth do you think that I was referring to you?
I trained in the Army and my instructor was a stickler for airmanship. He also carried a metal ruler in his nav bag which came out when I demonstrated a lack of airmanship so I learned quickly. He would probably find himself in big trouble in todays nanny state (he is probably turning in his grave) but he taught me some valuable lessons and I know bad airmanship when I see it.
Shyte talk - then why on earth do you think that I was referring to you?
Followers rather than leaders???
Now that is a concept designed to fail from the git go!
I assume those that pass jump straight to management rank.
Now that is a concept designed to fail from the git go!
I assume those that pass jump straight to management rank.
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Shyte talk - then why on earth do you think that I was referring to you?
Unfortunately there are also apologists here who will always disagree with observations such as yours.