Agusta AW139
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AW139 Start Relay Box's, Repairable???
P/N 3G7610V00331, 2 each located up in aft cabin roof. Agusta price =$13,926.00, no core value (ie throwaway to AW
). Anyone had theirs repaired, tested? By whom?
Anyone else having no starter action when idle selected, that may be caused by these expensive relay box's
Thanks
KC
). Anyone had theirs repaired, tested? By whom?Anyone else having no starter action when idle selected, that may be caused by these expensive relay box's
Thanks
KC
Had the no start thing before.
Ours was caused by some NCF faults in the EEC that inhibited the start sequence. Did a full DCU download to see what faults we had, and there were lots. Common issue was a power interruption.
Removed the connectors from both EEC's applied Stabilant 22 and refitted. Everything worked fine after that.
I haven't had an engine relay box fail before. Doesn't mean they won't, just I haven't seen one fail (touch wood).
Have had 3 Eng Mode Sel panels fail. Usually engine won't go to idle from flight.
Is your machine still under warranty?
Ours was caused by some NCF faults in the EEC that inhibited the start sequence. Did a full DCU download to see what faults we had, and there were lots. Common issue was a power interruption.
Removed the connectors from both EEC's applied Stabilant 22 and refitted. Everything worked fine after that.
I haven't had an engine relay box fail before. Doesn't mean they won't, just I haven't seen one fail (touch wood).
Have had 3 Eng Mode Sel panels fail. Usually engine won't go to idle from flight.
Is your machine still under warranty?
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Recent FIPS Troubleshooting
After many hours of statically checking FIPS Tail Rotor Blades several times as per Agusta Recommendations, all continuity, insulation, and shorting checks all 4 Tail Rotor blades met and passed the Agusta specified parameters. But when actually running on the aircraft we would get "Tail Rotor Degraded". The Slip Ring was Clean and all Related connections seemed to be in order.
A ground run at NR 100% "FIPS ON" with the Ballard ARINC 429 Software hooked up revealed a fault on page 275 (TR Distributor Unit Status)-17 '"Temp Sensor 3 "Fail"
A second ground run at NR 100% , FIPS ON and System Tests completed
(display panel showing "CHK and TR DEGR) revealed the following faults on page 275(TR Distributor Unit Status) -13 Tail Rotor 1/3 "Fail"
-17 TR temp Sensor 3 "Fail: and -19 TR Heating Status "Degraded"
and...
Page 272 (ARINC 429 From ICB to MAU Revealed Fault -14 Mat "failure"
After discussion with AgustaWestland in Europe They recommended replacement of Blades 1 and /or 3 due to Temp Sensor failure. As the blade status system is not capable of pin pointing a failure in a individual TR blade , only blades 1 & 3 (channel A)and blades 2/4 (Channel B) due to the fact the circutry works in series. It is up the the operator to do figure out which blade is the culprit. Of Course no FIPS TR Blades Available in North America at this time and we must again wait for parts from Italy.
A ground run at NR 100% "FIPS ON" with the Ballard ARINC 429 Software hooked up revealed a fault on page 275 (TR Distributor Unit Status)-17 '"Temp Sensor 3 "Fail"
A second ground run at NR 100% , FIPS ON and System Tests completed
(display panel showing "CHK and TR DEGR) revealed the following faults on page 275(TR Distributor Unit Status) -13 Tail Rotor 1/3 "Fail"
-17 TR temp Sensor 3 "Fail: and -19 TR Heating Status "Degraded"
and...
Page 272 (ARINC 429 From ICB to MAU Revealed Fault -14 Mat "failure"
After discussion with AgustaWestland in Europe They recommended replacement of Blades 1 and /or 3 due to Temp Sensor failure. As the blade status system is not capable of pin pointing a failure in a individual TR blade , only blades 1 & 3 (channel A)and blades 2/4 (Channel B) due to the fact the circutry works in series. It is up the the operator to do figure out which blade is the culprit. Of Course no FIPS TR Blades Available in North America at this time and we must again wait for parts from Italy.
So has anyone actually done a revenue trip in known icing with the AW139 yet? Quite a few operators here in Canada expect to, but I haven't heard of it being done yet. West coast doesn't have real icing anyway compared to around here 
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FIPS
We have 2 aircraft on line and a third who should be on line in May.Nobody has been using the FIPS because we have been told it is U/S now.We could not get the exact reason???Some are saying it is related to the tail rotor,other are talking about certification on some options installed on the aircraft????Don't know more....
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Our FIPS failed again. This time TR. Temp sensor were all okey but 3 blades out of 4 had a shortage so there is nothing else to do to wait new blades from Italy. Fortunately Italy is much closer to us than to North America.
Rotorsim buys AW139 full-flight simulator | Helihub - the Helicopter Industry Data Source
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Aser
29 Mar, 11
Rotorsim, the consortium owned equally by CAE (NYSE:CAE)(TSX:CAE) and AgustaWestland, a Finmeccanica company, today announced that it is expanding with the purchase from CAE’s Military business of a CAE 3000 Series full-flight simulator (FFS) replicating the AW139 aircraft.
The new AW139 FFS, to be delivered in 2012, will be jointly developed by CAE and AgustaWestland. The simulator will be qualified to Level D, the highest qualification for flight simulators.
Rotorsim, the consortium owned equally by CAE (NYSE:CAE)(TSX:CAE) and AgustaWestland, a Finmeccanica company, today announced that it is expanding with the purchase from CAE’s Military business of a CAE 3000 Series full-flight simulator (FFS) replicating the AW139 aircraft.
The new AW139 FFS, to be delivered in 2012, will be jointly developed by CAE and AgustaWestland. The simulator will be qualified to Level D, the highest qualification for flight simulators.
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Well news of another Level D simulator, great however is this the best cost effective option within the present Market
The advantages over a lower level more cost effective options are what? Zero AC time for conversion, is that a advantage? Some may say not. Look at the costs and what a company may need when your Zero time AC pilot returns, still will have to fly the aircraft and complete needed flight tests. However allows third party training from sim only companies to give type courses and gain the high profit gains.
Maybe some companies committing to good size fleets should look at low cost simulator investment, and cash in on third party dry lease of sim. Profit edge high, risk factor low, investment pay back time well you guess.
The advantages over a lower level more cost effective options are what? Zero AC time for conversion, is that a advantage? Some may say not. Look at the costs and what a company may need when your Zero time AC pilot returns, still will have to fly the aircraft and complete needed flight tests. However allows third party training from sim only companies to give type courses and gain the high profit gains.
Maybe some companies committing to good size fleets should look at low cost simulator investment, and cash in on third party dry lease of sim. Profit edge high, risk factor low, investment pay back time well you guess.
This latest event confirms AgustaWestland as the leading helicopter company in the world market for VVIP transport purposes through the most comprehensive range of dedicated helicopters.
'Horses for courses' as they say......
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Unlike many operators of the AW139 they probably took the bold step of actually investigating AW after-sales service beforehand. That should have convinced them to remain with SK. EC155? - well that must have been a red herring.
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Any particular reason why we leave the rotor brake on till the very end of its run and let it come a violent halt ? Makes me wince everytime. Can't be too good for the transmission, can it?