UK Police helicopter budget cuts
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Possible van extra? 6ft long.
Could this be heading to the UK. Merseyside maybe 
Took a couple of clicks to get the video to start on the Fox page.
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Took a couple of clicks to get the video to start on the Fox page.
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Could this be heading to the UK. Merseyside maybe
I wonder if NPAS will be using the same Media publicity team though,
some of their phrases seem to follow a pattern to those being used NPAS,
such as their Mission statement of Improving efficiency .... :
It’s equipped with an infrared camera that can clearly read a license plate from an elevation of twelve hundred feet...
Saving money :
The helicopter cost upwards of $300,000 ....
The video clip says the grant was for half a million US$.
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Could I just.....
After reading Morris' post about alternative ways of saving the £15m, I thought about those already set up with regionalisation. Take South Yorks, Humberside and West Yorks. One has 24 hr working already, and the other two have staggered operating times, therefore providing redundancy. I believe at present that West Yorks are STILL waiting for their annual servicing to be completed and Humberside are daylight only (I dont know why, prob technical failure), this leaves South Yorks to cover both areas. Well done South Yorks Police Authority for looking ahead !!! Anyway both Humberside and West Yorks have the trek to Gloucester for their servicing, why not just go to South Yorks. I believe they have resident engineers and a blooming great airfield with Hangarage not to mention a Part 145 already in place. Again I believe that as Police employees already paid by South Yorks, labour would be minimal. Also again conjecture, but they dont pay over the odds for parts. Am I thinking too far out of the box? Even the transit alone would save money. Would other regional servicing bases make more sense, especially to the more nothern units? Dont shoot me, only asking.....
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FF,
Good to see some positive thinking on alternatives in case the NPAS model doesn't work out as planned. With the announcement this week that we're looking for a further 30 billion in cuts in the next 6 years we need to look at every option. I really fear now that rural counties will shed air support hours very quickly once their budgets take a further hammering.
Tin helmet time!
Good to see some positive thinking on alternatives in case the NPAS model doesn't work out as planned. With the announcement this week that we're looking for a further 30 billion in cuts in the next 6 years we need to look at every option. I really fear now that rural counties will shed air support hours very quickly once their budgets take a further hammering.
Tin helmet time!
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Cat - Pigeons - throw ..................
How is it that some forces such as South Yorkshire can publicly circulate a video of their Police Authority meeting - Where they opted out of NPAS,
but other forces who may or may not yet not have committed to NPAS "in principle" or otherwise, can keep their Police Authority meetings "Private",
under the terms of "Paragraph 10 of Schedule 12a of the Local Government Act 1972", as not being in the Public Interest to disclose
... When will it be in the Public Interest to publicly dislcose and / or consult with the Public ( who pay for Police Air Support ),
or are their views not going to be considered before any decision is made ?
West Midlands Police Authority - Meetings and Events ( 1/12/11 Agenda )
but other forces who may or may not yet not have committed to NPAS "in principle" or otherwise, can keep their Police Authority meetings "Private",
under the terms of "Paragraph 10 of Schedule 12a of the Local Government Act 1972", as not being in the Public Interest to disclose
... When will it be in the Public Interest to publicly dislcose and / or consult with the Public ( who pay for Police Air Support ),
or are their views not going to be considered before any decision is made ?
West Midlands Police Authority - Meetings and Events ( 1/12/11 Agenda )
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The reason the PA meeting minutes on NPAS is deemed not in the public interest is they will be discussing operational risk and vulnerabilities amongst other things. They always have that to avoid disclosure of the things that make them uncomfortable.
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I hope not! Having said that, once education, NHS, & defence (to a lesser degree) have been further ring fenced, justice and policing will take another large hit no doubt.
I hope not! Having said that, once education, NHS, & defence (to a lesser degree) have been further ring fenced, justice and policing will take another large hit no doubt.
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Jobs?
What is happening within the police community with respect to pay? The recent advert for the Met places a value on a line pilot at £65,134 plus £1883, £67017.
I can only assume the Met CP will be on a figure with length of service close to or upward of £75000 - £80,000? Yet the advert for the Chief Pilot of NPAS placed a value of £70,000 - £78,000 on that position, less than the Met CP, and I guess several other positions around the country?
Also the advert for the line pilot position of the western counties air operations unit pilot about a year ago:
All Police Jobs - A revolution in police recruitment
That advert was for £36,033 - £38,805? That's nearly a £30,000 difference for the persons doing the same job, one in london and one in gloucestershire? Even with London waiting that's not right surely?
I can only assume the Met CP will be on a figure with length of service close to or upward of £75000 - £80,000? Yet the advert for the Chief Pilot of NPAS placed a value of £70,000 - £78,000 on that position, less than the Met CP, and I guess several other positions around the country?
Also the advert for the line pilot position of the western counties air operations unit pilot about a year ago:
All Police Jobs - A revolution in police recruitment
That advert was for £36,033 - £38,805? That's nearly a £30,000 difference for the persons doing the same job, one in london and one in gloucestershire? Even with London waiting that's not right surely?
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The met want an 'IR' qualification and living in an expensive area of the country, hence the salary, the NPAS position doesn't require IR and IRE/TRE so a 'lesser' pilot role if at all (the ad doesn't actually specify flying duties), but more organisational and liaison/management skills required, of course it remains to be seen if anyone would want to do it at that price (any 59 yo police senior pilots looking for a job?)
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Found this while surfing!! only up £6million from last year. Nick Herberts Funding announcement
Provisional Police Funding Announcement: 8 Dec 2011: Hansard Written Answers and Statements - TheyWorkForYou
"Police Capital
I am minded to amend the capital allocations for police authorities in order to support the establishment of the National Police Air Service. I will consider carefully any representations on this matter before taking my decision in time for the final settlement debate in February 2012. This change would mean that the proportion of police capital that goes to the NPAS would be increased to £10.8 million in 2012-13—£6 million more than I suggested this time last year. These proposed figures are set out in table 2."
Table 2: Proposed Division o f Police Capital Between Funding Streams
2012-13 £m 2013-14 £m 2014-15 £m
Capital Grant 118 106 109
National Police Air Service 11 13 10
Special Grant Capital 1 1 1
Total 130 120 120
Provisional Police Funding Announcement: 8 Dec 2011: Hansard Written Answers and Statements - TheyWorkForYou
"Police Capital
I am minded to amend the capital allocations for police authorities in order to support the establishment of the National Police Air Service. I will consider carefully any representations on this matter before taking my decision in time for the final settlement debate in February 2012. This change would mean that the proportion of police capital that goes to the NPAS would be increased to £10.8 million in 2012-13—£6 million more than I suggested this time last year. These proposed figures are set out in table 2."
Table 2: Proposed Division o f Police Capital Between Funding Streams
2012-13 £m 2013-14 £m 2014-15 £m
Capital Grant 118 106 109
National Police Air Service 11 13 10
Special Grant Capital 1 1 1
Total 130 120 120
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On the news tonight. Another one bites the dust!
BBC news tonight:
Clevelands latest Police Authority Chairman jumps ship after a meeting about a "conflict of interests" I wonder which contract firm he owned?
Cleveland Police Authority to Appoint New Chairman
BBC News - Cleveland Police Authority needs new chairman
Thats 2 chairman who have jumped in the last year!
The latest stand in at the authority is going to be the vice chairman at the CPA who became Mayor of Hartlepool after dressing up in a monkey suit to get noticed. I kid you not
BBC - Moss Missives: Stuart Drummond - from monkey suit to world domination
Only one sensible option left, Nothumbria will have to take over Cleveland as previously planned for the force and save on expenses
Cleveland Police Authority to Appoint New Chairman
Part of the letter:
Following a recent meeting between the Authority, HMIC and the Head of Operation Sacristy, I have become aware of what could be perceived as a potential conflict of interest for me if I were to continue in my role as Chair or a Member of CPA.
Therefore I have decided that I should stand down from the Authority with immediate effect.
Clevelands latest Police Authority Chairman jumps ship after a meeting about a "conflict of interests" I wonder which contract firm he owned?
Cleveland Police Authority to Appoint New Chairman
BBC News - Cleveland Police Authority needs new chairman
Thats 2 chairman who have jumped in the last year!
The latest stand in at the authority is going to be the vice chairman at the CPA who became Mayor of Hartlepool after dressing up in a monkey suit to get noticed. I kid you not
BBC - Moss Missives: Stuart Drummond - from monkey suit to world domination
Only one sensible option left, Nothumbria will have to take over Cleveland as previously planned for the force and save on expenses
Cleveland Police Authority to Appoint New Chairman
Part of the letter:
Following a recent meeting between the Authority, HMIC and the Head of Operation Sacristy, I have become aware of what could be perceived as a potential conflict of interest for me if I were to continue in my role as Chair or a Member of CPA.
Therefore I have decided that I should stand down from the Authority with immediate effect.
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The Selection process for the NPAS Flight Ops Director is taking place this week and next week.
Anyone know who within NPAS ( or otherwise ? ) is conducting the interviews, and running the process,
and what experience they might have to qualify them as being able to select the most suitable applicant for this vital role ?
The successful applicant is anticipated to be in post by 15/3/12 - Who's going to pay their wages ?
Are those wages subject to "everyone" having signed up to NPAS by that date,
and therefore started paying into the pot ?
So many questions, and so little time ( 107 days ) !
Anyone know who within NPAS ( or otherwise ? ) is conducting the interviews, and running the process,
and what experience they might have to qualify them as being able to select the most suitable applicant for this vital role ?
The successful applicant is anticipated to be in post by 15/3/12 - Who's going to pay their wages ?
Are those wages subject to "everyone" having signed up to NPAS by that date,
and therefore started paying into the pot ?
So many questions, and so little time ( 107 days ) !
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Coco,
The Tax payer pays all the wages.
ALL police budgets will be top-sliced to make up the initial NPAS start-up budget, so even South Yorks can't opt out of that one.
In 108 days those of us that become NPAS will report for shift, fly when requested to, and go home at the end of it. Some time later things may start to change, slowly.............
The Tax payer pays all the wages.
ALL police budgets will be top-sliced to make up the initial NPAS start-up budget, so even South Yorks can't opt out of that one.
In 108 days those of us that become NPAS will report for shift, fly when requested to, and go home at the end of it. Some time later things may start to change, slowly.............
The interview board is well equipped to pick the right person, trust me.
And the right person is already in amongst the hopefuls.
I think you'll find things will turn out for the best in this regard.
And the right person is already in amongst the hopefuls.
I think you'll find things will turn out for the best in this regard.
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The Tax payer pays all the wages.
ALL police budgets will be top-sliced to make up the initial NPAS start-up budget, so even South Yorks can't opt out of that one.
TC - Who's on the Interview Board then ? ... or is that another secret not being released by NPAS ?
TC, I thought that your response in post 2084 revealed a significant change in attitude towards NPAS, and now that I read 2121 I am sure of it.
Can I now assume that you are on board? Nothing wrong in that of course, but I had always respected your neautral stance and it appears to have shifted.
tigerfish
Can I now assume that you are on board? Nothing wrong in that of course, but I had always respected your neautral stance and it appears to have shifted.
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A copy from the thread on the proposed cutting of the RAF SH force PUMA.
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As to how broke the government is, try looking at this...
UK National Debt | Economics Blog
We may not be as "broke" as some other countries, but we are still broke, and still borrowing £140Bn odd each year to make ends meet (despite the "massive cuts" Labour keep referring to), so continually increasing the size of the overall national debt. Indeed, when the coalition talked about getting rid of the deficit by 2015 (which they probably won't now be able to do), as opposed to Labour which planned to half it, they were talking about the ANNUAL deficit, not the overall one.
If we don't put our own house in order, and end up going cap in hand to the IMF, then any cuts undertaken nationally will be as nothing to any imposed on us externally - external ones will be far more draconian.
As a country we are living beyond our means, and it cannot continue indefinitely.
Cuts in government spending are necessary, where they are made, welfare, defence, education, NHS, etc are decided by the people that our supposed democratic system placed in power.
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In summary, we're knackered! We've had the good old days, we just didn't realise it at the time. We had 15 years of borrowing hundreds of billions from the Chinese at around 2%, great when the economy was growing at a greater rate than that. Trouble is we've now got 10 or more years of having to pay them back when we haven't got any income to do so.
How about we ringfence police aviation spending as it is today, all take a 33% pay and pension cut and keep the service as it is? Didn't think so.
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As to how broke the government is, try looking at this...
UK National Debt | Economics Blog
We may not be as "broke" as some other countries, but we are still broke, and still borrowing £140Bn odd each year to make ends meet (despite the "massive cuts" Labour keep referring to), so continually increasing the size of the overall national debt. Indeed, when the coalition talked about getting rid of the deficit by 2015 (which they probably won't now be able to do), as opposed to Labour which planned to half it, they were talking about the ANNUAL deficit, not the overall one.
If we don't put our own house in order, and end up going cap in hand to the IMF, then any cuts undertaken nationally will be as nothing to any imposed on us externally - external ones will be far more draconian.
As a country we are living beyond our means, and it cannot continue indefinitely.
Cuts in government spending are necessary, where they are made, welfare, defence, education, NHS, etc are decided by the people that our supposed democratic system placed in power.
Unquote
In summary, we're knackered! We've had the good old days, we just didn't realise it at the time. We had 15 years of borrowing hundreds of billions from the Chinese at around 2%, great when the economy was growing at a greater rate than that. Trouble is we've now got 10 or more years of having to pay them back when we haven't got any income to do so.
How about we ringfence police aviation spending as it is today, all take a 33% pay and pension cut and keep the service as it is? Didn't think so.
