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Thomas you are quite correct. Both the Japanese and Tukmenistan AW 101 are civil varients used for VVIP and Police operations.
I suppose to clarify my point no commercial helicopter operator has taken the AW 101 into either offshore O&G operations or civil SAR operations.
I suppose to clarify my point no commercial helicopter operator has taken the AW 101 into either offshore O&G operations or civil SAR operations.
The Japs bought it n 2010 I think. $20 million for the basic green shell before kitting it out 
Only the Noggys (richest per capita in the world after KSA) could afford to do it big style. I'd love to see the running costs.
It is suggested that mil 101's on average are now down to 60% reliability rating.
Only the Noggys (richest per capita in the world after KSA) could afford to do it big style. I'd love to see the running costs.
It is suggested that mil 101's on average are now down to 60% reliability rating.
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I suppose to clarify my point no commercial helicopter operator has taken the AW 101 into either offshore O&G operations or civil SAR operations
Danish public accounts committee 2012:
http://uk.rigsrevisionen.dk/media/1884590/1-2012.pdf
The operational availability of the EH-101 helicopters has since 2010 varied between
53 and 55 per cent, which is sufficient to perform the search and rescue task. The
Defence is aiming for an operational availability of 65 per cent when the task of trans-
porting troops is also performed. The Defence expects to start the re-education of
personnel for the performance of the troop transport task early in 2013.
High error rates and lengthy turnaround times for spare parts continue to complicate
maintaining the EH-101 helicopters. Getting the helicopters ready to perform the re-
quired tasks, including primarily the search and rescue tasks, is therefore a deman-
ding task for the Defence. The Defence has focus on the maintenance issues and is
cooperating with the suppliers on resolving the problems, and action has been taken
to improve the situation. However, the effect of these initiatives is long term and can-
not be assessed at this point.
Is the Danish Defence now positioned to estimate the total operational costs of the
EH-101 helicopters?
So far the Defence has not been able to estimate the total operational costs of the
EH-101 helicopters. The Defence is now positioned to do so and therefore has a bet-
ter basis for assessing the impact of the EH-101 helicopters on the economy. Ac-
cording to the estimates prepared by the Defence, total annual operational costs are
considerably higher than the DKK 76 million estimated at the time of procurement in
2001. In 2011 operational costs amounted to approximately DKK 214 million. This
increase reflects the fact that operating the EH-101 helicopters has turned out to be
more expensive than expected and that all significant costs are now included in the
estimate prepared by the Defence. Total operational costs will increase further when
the Defence starts using the EH-101 helicopters for transporting troops.
http://uk.rigsrevisionen.dk/media/1884590/1-2012.pdf
The operational availability of the EH-101 helicopters has since 2010 varied between
53 and 55 per cent, which is sufficient to perform the search and rescue task. The
Defence is aiming for an operational availability of 65 per cent when the task of trans-
porting troops is also performed. The Defence expects to start the re-education of
personnel for the performance of the troop transport task early in 2013.
High error rates and lengthy turnaround times for spare parts continue to complicate
maintaining the EH-101 helicopters. Getting the helicopters ready to perform the re-
quired tasks, including primarily the search and rescue tasks, is therefore a deman-
ding task for the Defence. The Defence has focus on the maintenance issues and is
cooperating with the suppliers on resolving the problems, and action has been taken
to improve the situation. However, the effect of these initiatives is long term and can-
not be assessed at this point.
Is the Danish Defence now positioned to estimate the total operational costs of the
EH-101 helicopters?
So far the Defence has not been able to estimate the total operational costs of the
EH-101 helicopters. The Defence is now positioned to do so and therefore has a bet-
ter basis for assessing the impact of the EH-101 helicopters on the economy. Ac-
cording to the estimates prepared by the Defence, total annual operational costs are
considerably higher than the DKK 76 million estimated at the time of procurement in
2001. In 2011 operational costs amounted to approximately DKK 214 million. This
increase reflects the fact that operating the EH-101 helicopters has turned out to be
more expensive than expected and that all significant costs are now included in the
estimate prepared by the Defence. Total operational costs will increase further when
the Defence starts using the EH-101 helicopters for transporting troops.
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So most of that Danish report says "We ordered a big complicated helicopter and were surprised when we received a big complicated helicopter, and all the big complicated helicopter running costs have now been adjusted to include all the costs of running a big complicated helicopter, something the original projections for running a big complicated helicopter failed to include" 
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101 not a civilian
The 101 is not at present a civilian aircraft but I understand that may change soon the problem is the 15153 is not civilian certificated.the Turks got round it because they can.
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EH101 is civil certified
Series 300 and 500 got TC from CAA, FAA and RAI in 1994, Series 510 TC in 1998.
admittedly no 300/500 were delievered however the Tokyo Police Force do operate a -510 under full civil rules.
Other variants (Cormorant, DMRH, PoAF and JMSDF) used the TC as evidence that the aircraft was airworthy insted of using a 'military' certification.
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admittedly no 300/500 were delievered however the Tokyo Police Force do operate a -510 under full civil rules.
Other variants (Cormorant, DMRH, PoAF and JMSDF) used the TC as evidence that the aircraft was airworthy insted of using a 'military' certification.
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thanks danger mouse so if bristows wanted to buy 101 could thy fly say the current international aircraft without removing the 1553 and putting its equipment onto arinc or afdx.
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civ 101
Just done some digging and the current baseline 101 around which all 101 s are built (mainly avionics changes) ie the 640,641,643,643,611,644 are not civil qualified and can't be untill the equipment on the 1553 is moved the ins (egi) is replaced poss with second ahars i do remember a civil 101 years back but the current avionic baseline has changed .
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As far as i understand the current base standard for the 101 the international including 640 641 642 643 644 611 are not civillian qualified and it would take some investment to make it so .the company hack was i think many years ago but the avionic standard was a long way off todays basic model.
antonio, it's Bristow, not Bristows. And the 1553 databus fitted to mil platforms would not be fitted to any future orders that Bristow racked up if they so chose to purchase them. Having said that 1553 is now accepted by the FAA so it depends under which regulator people like Bristow would licence themselves. Either way it would not be a problem (except if parts on the DB fell under ITAR).
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CIVIL 101
thanks for that Thomas I don't really see the problem with the 1553 on any aircraft but I have been informed that it is a barrier to certifying a civil 101 and it has been proposed to spend quite a lot of money to remove it I am sure time will tell.
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Ironically enough Jim see extract below from AIN online from June 2009.
A third team, UK Air Rescue, formed initially by Bristow Helicopters, Serco and FB Heliservices and joined subsequently by AgustaWestland, withdrew last year, citing unspecified commercial reasons for bowing out. It had been expected to offer the AW101, probably in combination with a smaller type, but the other bidders’ selection of a single helicopter suggests the option of a mixed fleet might have been ruled out by the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) and Ministry of Defence, which are managing the SAR-H program.
A third team, UK Air Rescue, formed initially by Bristow Helicopters, Serco and FB Heliservices and joined subsequently by AgustaWestland, withdrew last year, citing unspecified commercial reasons for bowing out. It had been expected to offer the AW101, probably in combination with a smaller type, but the other bidders’ selection of a single helicopter suggests the option of a mixed fleet might have been ruled out by the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) and Ministry of Defence, which are managing the SAR-H program.
From TC:
The Danish statment says:
[QUOTE][The operational availability of the EH-101 helicopters has since 2010 varied between 53 and 55 per cent/QUOTE]
There is a BIG difference between reliability and availability. The 101 is actually an extremely reliable airframe IF supported by a suitable spares and maintenance package. The RAF found this out the hard way in the early days; once an adequate engineering support package was put in place reliabilty figures in the high 90s% have been consistently seen in some pretty harsh Operational environments.
It is suggested that mil 101's on average are now down to 60% reliability rating.
[QUOTE][The operational availability of the EH-101 helicopters has since 2010 varied between 53 and 55 per cent/QUOTE]
There is a BIG difference between reliability and availability. The 101 is actually an extremely reliable airframe IF supported by a suitable spares and maintenance package. The RAF found this out the hard way in the early days; once an adequate engineering support package was put in place reliabilty figures in the high 90s% have been consistently seen in some pretty harsh Operational environments.
