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Old 12th Jul 2013, 15:36
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Two bidders are invited to further negotiations for new SAR helicopters - regjeringen.no

Which presumably means Merlin and Super Puma are the remaining alternatives.

So, all the Europeans who have a hope in hell of delivering?
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Old 31st Oct 2013, 17:00
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From Helihub

Norwegian Trade Unions want AW101 for SAR, not EC725 | Helihub - the Helicopter Industry Data Source

Maybe they can pick some up on the cheap?

Govt all set to cancel VVIP chopper deal - The Times of India

This is interesting considering Eurocopter has partnered with Heli One Norway. Same arguement about jobs for Norway.

Eurocopter NORDSAR
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 21:05
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Maybe they can pick some up on the cheap?

Govt all set to cancel VVIP chopper deal - The Times of India
As AW apparently has opted for a Merlin-esque tail without rear ramp for the NAWSARH offer, that would require extensive changes to the airframes, I guess
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Old 7th Nov 2013, 22:59
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Connecticut politicians write grovelling letter to Norway after Sikorsky droppped from SAR tender | Helihub - the Helicopter Industry Data Source
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the selection is espected very shortly. I don't think the Norwegians will change their mind so late in the competition.
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*As recommended by governments in Asia and North America.

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AgustaWestland til sluttforhandlinger om nye redningshelikoptre - regjeringen.no
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Norway selects AW101
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 17:31
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AgustaWestland to final negotiations - regjeringen.no
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Connecticut politicians write grovelling letter to Norway after Sikorsky droppped from SAR tender | Helihub - the Helicopter Industry Data Source

Ha! Perhaps they should try with Canada!
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 21:03
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NH-90 THEN AW-101 NOW

Let me go back more than a decade to the front lines of the NSHP. Having spent an inordinate amount of time pushing the H-92 for Norwegian missions including SAR, I now know that any aircraft would have fallen short in the government’s eyes. We were lambasted by the Norwegian Government for proposing an aircraft (H-92) that had no way of meeting all of their requirements. Hind sight is always 20/20. At the time, only the NH-90 met all of their very demanding mission requirements. Where is the NH-90 today? I have to admit now that, with knowledge of the Canadian S-92 issues many promises proposed for a mission compliant S-92 were at best a dream. Sikorsky would have most probably fallen well short. Good luck to Agusta Westland. They will need it over the long term.
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 21:34
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Hopefully Norway will have a better experience than Denmark . It's interesting that no civil helicopter operator has every taken the Aw101 into commercial service.



http://uk.rigsrevisionen.dk/media/1884590/1-2012.pdf
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The only helicopter able to meet all of Norway's performance criteria was the Boeing CH-47, complete with in-flight re-fuelling capability.
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Boeing was the smart one when responding to the NSHP. They left the RFP sitting in the lobby at NSHP head quarters on Vahlallavagen. Smart move for the company with the only aircraft (CH-47) to meet most of the requirements.
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Old 9th Nov 2013, 05:41
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Originally Posted by meanttobe
Hopefully Norway will have a better experience than Denmark . It's interesting that no civil helicopter operator has every taken the Aw101 into commercial service.

http://uk.rigsrevisionen.dk/media/1884590/1-2012.pdf

One could interpret that as a sign of incompetence in configuration control or in other aspects of product lifecycle design and management. However, it is also strongly suggestive of a product designed to suck the life out of defence budgets across the world.
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Old 9th Nov 2013, 07:54
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Be fair.Both Denmark and Canada made the mistake of buying a helicopter without sufficient provisioning for training in one case and spares in the other. The more recent practice of making the manufacturer responsible for ensuring the required number of aircraft are on the front line every morning has resolved the spares issue for those wise enough to adopt it ( not Canada ) and as for training...well...that is a decision for the operator.
At least with the AW101 you get a proven military based product...with a reliable transmission.....how many H92s have the US military bought? And let's not even mention Canada again.
And do US politicians even know where Norway is?......how big a country it is ?....the distances and climate to its furthest reaches ?
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Old 9th Nov 2013, 18:05
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Good for Norway!

Rays of Hope on Vimeo

Prooven SAR plataform.

Cheers,
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One of the key problems the Danish Military has with the EH101 was that Augusta Westland expected a servicability of approx 80%, which has never been possible ( now around 60%). Though it was never written in the contract for the 14 helicopters, therefore there was no breach of the contract.

I believe that the Norwegian Airforce has been looking very close into these mistakes made by the danes, and therefore will reach a much better contract, and result.
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Old 10th Nov 2013, 07:08
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One of the key problems the Danish Military has with the EH101 was that Augusta Westland expected a servicability of approx 80%, which has never been possible ( now around 60%).
Or was it the opposite? The Danes assumed a servicability that was never (and nowhere) written in the contract.
At least IIRC a report by a Danish GAO equivalent put it that way some years ago.

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Old 10th Nov 2013, 10:50
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I have to say the Norwegian AW101 looks better and more like a Rescue Helicopter in the Orange and White scheme than the Danes Drab Olive

Lets hope the Norwegians do a better job than the Danes did.
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