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Old 2nd Sep 2000, 01:43   #1 (permalink)
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Question Air Ambulance work

Can anyone enlighten me about how easy / difficult it is for an ex-military RW pilot to get into the Air Ambulance world? I've got a couple of years left to go before I'm outside and it's an area that certainly interests me.

Do most people work part-time, voluntarily (if they've got airline jobs for example) or is it a full time role?

Any info gratefully received.

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Old 11th Nov 2000, 16:25   #2 (permalink)
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Night_Pilot

I can only give you advice on the Canadian Air Ambulance System. Basically most Pilots work full-time for the Ambulance. They generally require a CPL/IFR but an ATPL is preferred, even for a Co-Jo.

One of the biggest employers of EMS Pilots in Canada is CHC Eastern, now a completely management owned subsidiary of CHC.

If your looking at the Canadian market, then I would suggest you contact Rob Blakely at CH Eastern, in Toronto.

Cheers, OffshoreIgor
 
Old 11th Nov 2000, 19:00   #3 (permalink)
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Night Pilot

Generally the ex-military helicopter pilot is much preferred by the major operators for this type of work. The level of quality experience necessary coupled with flexibility for ad-hoc landings at un-recced sites isn't usually found from purely civil trained people.

Bond are the major operator with PAS (MAS in Air Amb)second. The former operate BO105 changing to EC135 and the latter are changing from AS355 & BO105 to MD902.

It tends to be a full time role.

Best of luck !!
 
Old 11th Nov 2000, 20:45   #4 (permalink)
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Yes EMS operators love Ex military guys.

To the guy that says civil guys lack the experience in off AP landings: what planet are you from? We might lack the training because we don't have a sugardaddy (unle sam) paying for it but I beg to differ on the actual experience.
 
Old 11th Nov 2000, 22:22   #5 (permalink)
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I presume there must be some non-ex-military pilots flying air ambulances in the UK. What experience are the operators looking for?
 
Old 11th Nov 2000, 22:32   #6 (permalink)
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Hoge,
Not written in concrete but generally along the lines of:-
CPL(H)/ATPL(H)
2000hrs total
1500 in command
500 twin
100 Night
50 In Command @ Night
Type rating a bonus.
 
Old 11th Nov 2000, 23:49   #7 (permalink)
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Sorry to come into this thread, but while Air Ambulance crews are listening...

I am a medical student in Scotland and a keen PPL(A) pilot. I was wondering if there was any way to get some kind of work experience of either the medical or flying sides of the Scottish Air Ambulance Service?

If anyone could help me out I would really appreciate it. Please e-mail me at the address above!

Thank you!

Flying Doc
 
Old 12th Nov 2000, 00:09   #8 (permalink)
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Fortyodd, thanks for that.
At the risk of imposing, who are the best people to send the CV to??
 
Old 13th Nov 2000, 03:33   #9 (permalink)
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HOGE,
PAS/MAS at Gloucester. Sue Barnes is head of Human Resources or whatever they call the personel dept these days.
 
Old 14th Nov 2000, 01:07   #10 (permalink)
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HOGE

Forty Odd is almost correct except that Sue Barns has left PAS a couple of weeks ago. John Ball is the man to send it to, as the Director Operations he has a handle on everything the company does. Thank goodness!!
 
Old 14th Nov 2000, 22:23   #11 (permalink)
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DOH!
 
Old 15th Nov 2000, 00:09   #12 (permalink)
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Igor, to clarify, the ATPL(H) is REQUIRED for captains in the Ontario EMS, and ATP or CPL + HATRA for co's.

Co-pilots turn over regularly, as the pay can be pretty rough for them.

Captains are generally in demand in places where no-one wants to work.

As far as the ex-mil thing, the EMS/IFR business more closely approximates military ops. Also, most military crews are exposed to crewed helo's earlier and have less single-pilot habits to break, and generally more IFR time than civil pilots with equivalent total time.

**note: I said generally**

And about the sale of CHC's onshore ops, we'll see when they clarify what exactly they are trying to do with us, limbo sucks.
 
Old 15th Nov 2000, 02:23   #13 (permalink)
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Flying Doc,

Sorry to say that I don't think you have much chance to ride shotgun if that's what you're after.

The aircraft simply don't have the room or the performance to carry extra bods.

ShyT
 
Old 15th Nov 2000, 10:25   #14 (permalink)
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Night-Pilot: if you have an ATPL(H) with lots of twin turbine hours and are financially solvent (preferably with a second income),happy to spend 10 hrs a day achieving an average of 1.30 hrs flying per day doing a worthwhile job with some of the best people on this planet (the Paramedics) then I commend this work to you. However, you will be on your own as a third party in a Public Transport operation which is severely regulated by the CAA and not understood by the most senior of ambulance people. Diplomacy and flexibility is everything but, at the end of the day, it is your licence that is on the line. Bond, PAS, MacAlpines and Aeromega are the people to try.

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Old 15th Nov 2000, 17:00   #15 (permalink)
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HeloTeacher:

You're absolutely right. I was speaking in general terms for CoJo's. I worked EMS in the early 90's in T-Bay and The Island.

I agree with your assessment of ex-military being suited to the Ambulance operation, but I would suggest that a strong backround in bush operations makes the transition to EMS equally as easy, i.e. tight scene calls, confined areas etc.

Cheers, OffshoreIgor


PS What Base are you on? It's probably not as warm as Manila!

 
Old 24th Nov 2000, 01:33   #16 (permalink)
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I'm in one of those places noone wants to work. Except a few of us :-)

Much colder than Manila.

Enjoying it so far.

I gather from your posts you are still with CHI. How are they doing for B212 and SK76 bodies??

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That oughtta get my bosses juices flowin' :-0
 
Old 24th Nov 2000, 06:52   #17 (permalink)
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HeloTeacher:

Funny you should ask. Give Brian a call, I'm sure he could use you.

Cheers, OffshoreIgor
 
Old 25th Nov 2000, 03:57   #18 (permalink)
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Thanks for all the comments guys. I'm not going outside for a while, but I'll bear the ideas in mind when I do.
 
 
 
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