Robinson R44
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Totally irrelevant trivia;
Companies that manufacture certified helicopters, such as Robinson, install expensive reliable 4-stroke engines and then derate them. This is in total contrast to the manufactures of uncertified helicopters, such as the Mini 500 and the Helicycle. They use low-cost less reliable 2-stroke engines and then force additional power out of them by adding tuned exhausts.
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T'aint
Dont get me wrong. I like Robinsons and have considerable time in both 22s and 44s. I'm sure that fuel injection will make the 44 a brilliant machine. The R22 needs it too- and a bit less de-rating.
The reason I have an Enstrom is because the bills are way, way lower than a 44, 3 seats are what I need so a 22 would be useless and I like the way the Enstrom flies. It also looks like a real helicopter without its arse hanging out. ( My dad calls R22s Heath Robinsons!).I also like fully articulated heavy rotors.
The extra 30 BHP may be there, but to get it is outside the POH limitations. On the odd occasion I have seen the manifold pressure in the red, the rotor horn comes on. So to get usable extra power the revs would have to be increased above 102% first. See if you pass a GFT doing that.
With the Enstrom, I usually see 21-23 inches in the cruise- not dissimilar to Robinsons. 30 inches is there if I need it. 7-9 inches is better to have in reserve than 2 or 3 (!!) I know which I prefer.
Dont get me wrong. I like Robinsons and have considerable time in both 22s and 44s. I'm sure that fuel injection will make the 44 a brilliant machine. The R22 needs it too- and a bit less de-rating.
The reason I have an Enstrom is because the bills are way, way lower than a 44, 3 seats are what I need so a 22 would be useless and I like the way the Enstrom flies. It also looks like a real helicopter without its arse hanging out. ( My dad calls R22s Heath Robinsons!).I also like fully articulated heavy rotors.
The extra 30 BHP may be there, but to get it is outside the POH limitations. On the odd occasion I have seen the manifold pressure in the red, the rotor horn comes on. So to get usable extra power the revs would have to be increased above 102% first. See if you pass a GFT doing that.
With the Enstrom, I usually see 21-23 inches in the cruise- not dissimilar to Robinsons. 30 inches is there if I need it. 7-9 inches is better to have in reserve than 2 or 3 (!!) I know which I prefer.
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Quality Vs Quantity. There is no argument.
To: t'aint natural
Yes, the same reason Fords' outsell Mercedes.
There are good reasons why the Robinsons outsell the Enstroms by sixty to one.
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Lu: Don't start indulging your blind prejudices again. I don't want to be too pedantic, but the reason Fords outsell Mercedes is because they are cheaper. Look at the market for second-hand Enstroms and you'll see that it is they that are the cheaper item. In short, don't talk codswallop.
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...now ladies?!Well I'm taking delivery of a new R44 II late January so will keep you posted as to the +/- of the loverly craft...soooo looking forward to it!
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Me,blind prejudices?
To: t'aint natural
This is the only point I was making. I was not implying that one was better than the other.
Lu: Don't start indulging your blind prejudices again. I don't want to be too pedantic, but the reason Fords outsell Mercedes is because they are cheaper.
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Is the Brantly B-2B acceptable for use as a training helicopter?
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Who is more prejudiced than whom?
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Aren't you taking the same stand about Enstrom Helicopters as I had taken against Robinson Helicopters?
Stand back and take a deep breath. The exhaust from the Enstrom and the Robbie smells the same.
There are people that think the Baby Bell and the Rotorway Exec are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Taste in whatever is subjective and should not be criticized.
Don't start indulging your blind prejudices again.......
Stand back and take a deep breath. The exhaust from the Enstrom and the Robbie smells the same.
There are people that think the Baby Bell and the Rotorway Exec are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Taste in whatever is subjective and should not be criticized.
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Spoke with Q who got a chance to fly the R44 II and he gave it a very good going over.In his opinion the Robinson helicopter has "come of age".The additional power is noticable close to the ground as well as at high altitude.He tried everything to make the engine falter or cut out but without success,pulling max power then down to idle repeatedly.He succeded in the past in doing this in the non-injected models.He flew it with the guy who did the C of A the other day who was also very impressed which is something as Robinson's didn't figure highly in his estimation until this.The distinction has blurred even further between it and it's turbine cousins.Given that seemingly the 44 has proven to be more reliable than the 206 and so much cheaper to buy/maintain I'm left wondering what's the point except for the extra seat (which is unusable with full fuel),the sound and a little extra cargo room!...opinions anybody?
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James....
Please explain what you mean by the "Power is more noticeable even on the ground".....my alcohol ravaged brain is struggling with that concept for some reason!
Please explain what you mean by the "Power is more noticeable even on the ground".....my alcohol ravaged brain is struggling with that concept for some reason!
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...what I meant and should have said was-close to the ground and not just at high altitude!
Herts
Congrats on owning the first in the UK.I take delivery the beginning of Feb.What avionics did you go for?
...what I meant and should have said was-close to the ground and not just at high altitude!
Herts
Congrats on owning the first in the UK.I take delivery the beginning of Feb.What avionics did you go for?
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Nice one Herts,
R44 Raven II thread on justhelicopters.com forum 114 responses but looks like they were emailed direct to the thread starter instead of posting them all
R44 Raven II thread on justhelicopters.com forum 114 responses but looks like they were emailed direct to the thread starter instead of posting them all
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Been using mine now for 3 weeks !
30 hours so far and no hitch.
No oil used up to the 25 hour. Smooth, Fast and powerful.
Look out for G-CEEE when your next in Sywell and say Hi
30 hours so far and no hitch.
No oil used up to the 25 hour. Smooth, Fast and powerful.
Look out for G-CEEE when your next in Sywell and say Hi