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Old 6th Jan 2002, 01:29   #41 (permalink)
 
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I flew the Bell204B (lycoming engine) and the Augusta Bell 204A (rollsroyce engine) in Iran in the early seventies. The AB204A was based in the mountains for oil exploration (top rig helipad was 12,000 feet) and the Bell 204B (on floats), I flew in the Persian Gulf.

Not a lot of time, about 1,000 hours but a quality aircraft, a derivitave of the HUEY, I believe
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Old 6th Jan 2002, 20:20   #42 (permalink)
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The 204B was actually the first "Huey" it was designated the (A) then (B)with changes. Next out was a different body and designated the (D) which after changing from the L-11 to L-13 engine became the (H)
The (C) and (M) were 204 bodies with 540 rotorsystems and bigger engines and used mainly for gunships. both the C/M had shorter tailbooms as did all 204s, and not real good where tail rotor authority is a must. Other variants of the (D) were the (V) for medevac and Electronic surveilance (E) The Air Force and Navy also had 204 bodies with side exhaust engines.
The (D) body evolved into the 212 or (UH-1N) and is today further made in to the B412. Or as is said the 212 is a Huey with two engines and the 412 is a Huey with two engines and four blades.
Im sure Lu could get in here and give all the finer points, but these are just the basics from one with a couple thousand hours of (Pilot Time) in them.

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Old 8th Jan 2002, 09:29   #43 (permalink)
 
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Helmet Fire, I remember that list you posted above, very good. Another pretty amusing 'publication' that used to be popular among the 9, 5, 35 SQN rotorhead fraternity, and elsewhere, was the 'Seagull' or 'Eagle' codes, don't know if you've run across them.
You could transmit the word 'Seagull' plus a 3 figure number, and see the other formation crew members hurriedly consulting their list to see which piece of abuse you had just sent them.
Some good examples were:

"You sir, can f**K right off!" (Seagull 500, as I recall).

"If it don't fit, overpitch it!"

"I love the f**King Air Force, and the Air Force loves f**king me!"

And one of my personal favourites - "Seagull 571!" (Show us your t*ts!)

One thing about Hueys, you could be assured that people flying just about any other type would come out with 'Yeah, I'd love to have a go at flying them.'

And fair enough too, what a classic and excellent machine.
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Arm OTW,
dont know the list - but would love to see it!

An NZ mate told me a great Huey story: he took a SkyHawk (when they had them!) pilot for a ride. Each time he would hando over the controls by gesturing with his left hand over the center console, he would flick off the HYD switch, then when fighter jock would strugle and sweat he would take over and flick HYD on again to demonstrate how he could fly the aircraft with just his fingers!

The fighter jock still believes all Huey pilots are incredible!!

Mind you, a good Instructor could hover a well tensioned (and light) aircraft with two fingers on the cyclic with HYD off.

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Old 9th Jan 2002, 23:29   #45 (permalink)
 
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600+ H1's, 250 BH205 and BH212. The best I have ever flown. I think th main difference between the H1 and 205 is larger (AH1?) TR on the right side and another hydraulic system.

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Old 16th Feb 2002, 01:07   #46 (permalink)
 
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Post Does anyone out there fly a Huey?

Have recently visited Vietnam as a Trainer delivering customer service and SEP training to VN's cabin crew. Whilst there became fascinated with what went on during the war. Have read lots of books and watched Apolocypse Now about four times! Cutting to the chase, eventually, I would love to have a ride on a Huey. I have become very interested in helicopters and am also considering taking lessons to fly one. Can anyone tell me how much it costs to learn, how long does it take? are there many different ratings etc?. .I was a CSD with BA up until a year ago and am now just north of 40 years old, do I stand a chance of becoming a rotorhead?
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Old 16th Feb 2002, 02:19   #47 (permalink)
 
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dooroneleft,

Yep, I fly one (used to). Got about 2,500 hours in them. Great helicopter, very forgiving (as far as helicopters go). As far as learning in one, unless your last name is Rockerfeller or Rothschild or something, I'd say forget it. Learning to fly, civy side, is very expensive.
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Old 18th Feb 2002, 00:10   #48 (permalink)
 
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I fly one too (well almost Bell 205 A-1) the company I fly for has got seven of the beasts. Always an eye-catcher every where you go. we have a check pilot on the team. The cost is pretty high nearly GBP1500,- an hour (Euro 2300,-). The question is will anybody let you!
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Old 18th Feb 2002, 13:39   #49 (permalink)
 
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If you are interested in helicopters in Vietnam, read Chickenhawk by Robert Mason, published by Corgi, ISBN 0-552-12419-2.

It goes right thrrough his flight training and his experiences in Vietnam. this is the book that originally got me interested in helicopters. It has got a lot to answer for.....

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Old 19th Feb 2002, 01:40   #50 (permalink)
 
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Thanks CyclicRick. Can't believe the cost per hour. Are you sure? You are a very lucky guy being paid to fly a Huey. Every now and then I log on <a href="http://www.vhpa.org" target="_blank">www.vhpa.org</a> just to hear the sound of the rotors, now how sad is that?

Draco. I have just ordered this book from Amazon, should have it in a day or so. Will it have the same effect on me?. .I think I am already hooked, however. Having my first lesson in a couple of days in a Robinson R-22 Beta at Redhill in Surrey.. .Now be honest guys and gals, what do you think of the Robbie. Is this the right helicopter to sart on?
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Old 19th Feb 2002, 13:07   #51 (permalink)
 
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There was an interesting thread on Hueys a few weeks ago. . .Click here<a href="http://www.pprune.org/cgibin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=001750" target="_blank">Anyone flown a Huey?</a>
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Old 19th Feb 2002, 16:15   #52 (permalink)
 
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Dooroneleft,. .I (as you may imagine!) think the Robbo's an excellent Helicopter to start on - as affordable as anything to do with Helicopters can be; light, maneouvrable (i.e. fun); twitchy enough to keep you on your toes; and worrying enough to have you spring loaded to dump collective if it all goes horribly quiet. Treat it with respect, fly it as you are told, don't try and push the envelope and you need not have any of Lu's worries.

And be warned, flying Helicopters is very, very, addictive.
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Old 19th Feb 2002, 20:00   #53 (permalink)
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Robbo Jock. . Think your a bit mixed up. This little thread is on Hueys, not Robbies. Dont you Robbie guys have enough threads , like "Why they fall from the sky", etc., that you cant let some Hueys drivers have fun..... .UH-1,love that puppy. did it in the A,B,D,H,M,and V also flew the Squashed Version AH-1(G)(S).They were fun days....
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Old 19th Feb 2002, 20:04   #54 (permalink)
 
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UH-1N's, now HH-1N's. HC-16 in P-Cola.

Of course, if a squadron has too much fun, they get decommissioned .... <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

Gitmo had 2 of them, remember 158257 adn 158766, both nice, but saw them later on their way thru P-cola on way to Davis, looked trashed, badly. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
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Old 20th Feb 2002, 04:18   #55 (permalink)
 
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Draco:

Mason's book sparked my interest in aviation and helicopters. It is also a superb and harrowing account of how the experience changed him. . .Years later he wrote another book about his life after leaving the army; you remember chicknhawk ends with him saying how he was done for drug smuggling? . .I've never been able to find the follow-up.

"The 13th Valley" by John M Del Vecchio . .ISBN 0-312-20081-1 is a fantastic book too, this time by one of the grunts that Bob Mason would have been transporting.
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Old 20th Feb 2002, 08:56   #56 (permalink)
 
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Gotta love the huey. 15-20 psi, 70KIAS, 200FPM ROD and WOCK WOCK WOCK.

Another worth while book is Hunter Killer Squadron published by presidio. Follows members of 1/9th CAV in SE Asia. Harrowing, mad, heroic stuff. <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
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Old 20th Feb 2002, 12:56   #57 (permalink)
 
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Chickenhawk 66

Mason's followup book is called Chickenhawk: Back in the World ISBN 0-14-015876-6 published by Penguin. It's on the shelf behind me.

Nothing like as good as the first one, little about helicopters, but quite a sad story about his gradual disintegration and eventual recovery.

Dooronleft

Try to read the first sections of the initial book before you go for the trial flight. If you can't get it, let me know you address and I will pop a copy of a few pages in the post asap.

R

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Old 20th Feb 2002, 17:44   #58 (permalink)
 
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If you want to browse a very good web site of my old unit, check out 176th Assault Helicopter Company. You might have to search the US MSN to locate, but well worth the time. All true, no Hollywood.

Later,
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Don't worry your not that sad, we get people ringing up every day wanting a flight a type rating or just to have a peek in the hangar. I'm addicted to the sound of a Merlin with just a little boost at 300MPH just lifting the nose for a gentle barrel roll..sad? No-way I'd sell the wife and kids for a cabby in Spitfire IX.. .One day....one day!. .Take a peek at our web site for a drool if you like <a href="http://www.agrarflug-helilift.com" target="_blank">www.agrarflug-helilift.com</a>

PS. If anyone out there owns a spit and will take me for a ride or a type rating I'll renounce helicopters as smelly vibrating noisy slow lumps of badly made c***. I know it's heracy but...
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Old 25th Feb 2002, 07:19   #60 (permalink)
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Gray 14,. .That is a great web site, here is the URL:

<a href="http://members.aol.com/mm27176th/" target="_blank">http://members.aol.com/mm27176th/</a>

I had quite a few friends in the Minutemen/Muskets back in 1969-1970. When were you there?

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