New job and rating with soon to expire IR.
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New job and rating with soon to expire IR.
Hello,
I'm struggling to find correct answers on this EASA matter. My current type rating is about to expire, 31.10.17 together with my IR. In November I will start in a new job and new type rating, however I have now been informed that I need to have a valid MEIR when doing the next skill test...
With only 3-4 weeks left I'm am starting to worry. Have any of you been in the same situation and what did you do?
The only solution I can see is to buy my own LPC on my current type or do a full IR/MEP course. Both solutions seems a bit crazy and really overkill. Either solution will easily cost me 5-10.000 euro, money I don't have.
My SEP and MEP both expired 6-7 years.
Any help or comments will be appreciated.
I'm struggling to find correct answers on this EASA matter. My current type rating is about to expire, 31.10.17 together with my IR. In November I will start in a new job and new type rating, however I have now been informed that I need to have a valid MEIR when doing the next skill test...
With only 3-4 weeks left I'm am starting to worry. Have any of you been in the same situation and what did you do?
The only solution I can see is to buy my own LPC on my current type or do a full IR/MEP course. Both solutions seems a bit crazy and really overkill. Either solution will easily cost me 5-10.000 euro, money I don't have.
My SEP and MEP both expired 6-7 years.
Any help or comments will be appreciated.
The requirement for a valid IR is/was only for the issue of an initial type rating, any subsequent type rating did not require a valid IR.
However looking at the UK CAA website it only says it is required for an initial type rating,and not required for renewals or revalidations but it appears silent on additional types.
Not much help!
PS Just looked in CAP 804, found a reference requiring an ATPL or a CPL/IR to be eligible for a type rating course which may imply if you hold an ATPL you do not need a valid IR but it is not clear.
However looking at the UK CAA website it only says it is required for an initial type rating,and not required for renewals or revalidations but it appears silent on additional types.
Not much help!
PS Just looked in CAP 804, found a reference requiring an ATPL or a CPL/IR to be eligible for a type rating course which may imply if you hold an ATPL you do not need a valid IR but it is not clear.
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Thanks bingo fuel. Will have a look again. I do hold an ATPL however my authorities insists that I need a valid IR. I think the reference they are using is this one:
SECTION 2 - Specific requirements for the aeroplane category
FCL.720.A Experience requirements and prerequisites for the issue of class or type ratings — aeroplanes
Unless otherwise determined in the operational suitability data established in accordance with Part-21, an applicant for a class or type rating shall comply with the following experience requirements and prerequisites for the issue of the relevant rating:
(a) Single-pilot multi-engine aeroplanes. An applicant for a first class or type rating on a single-pilot multi-engine aeroplane shall have completed at least 70 hours as PIC on aeroplanes.
(b) Single-pilot high performance non-complex aeroplanes. Before starting flight training, an applicant for a first class or type rating for a single-pilot aeroplane classified as a high performance aeroplane shall:
(1) have at least 200 hours of total flying experience, of which 70 hours as PIC on aeroplanes; and
(2)
(i) hold a certificate of satisfactory completion of a course for additional theoretical knowledge undertaken at an ATO; or
(ii) have passed the ATPL(A) theoretical knowledge examinations in accordance with this Part; or
(iii) hold, in addition to a licence issued in accordance with this Part, an ATPL(A) or CPL(A)/IR with theoretical knowledge credit for ATPL(A), issued in accordance with Annex 1 to the Chicago Convention;
(3) in addition, pilots seeking the privilege to operate the aeroplane in multi- pilot operations shall meet the requirements of (d)(4).
(c) Single-pilot high performance complex aeroplanes. Applicants for the issue of a first type rating for a complex single-pilot aeroplane classified as a high performance aeroplane shall, in addition to meeting the requirements of (b), have fulfilled the requirements for a multi-engine IR(A), as established in Subpart G.
(d) Multi-pilot aeroplanes. An applicant for the first type rating course for a multi-pilot aeroplane shall be a student pilot currently undergoing training on an MPL training course or comply with the following requirements:
(1) have at least 70 hours of flight experience as PIC on aeroplanes;
(2) hold a multi-engine IR(A);
(3) have passed the ATPL(A) theoretical knowledge examinations in accordance with this Part; and
(4) except when the type rating course is combined with an MCC course:
(i) hold a certificate of satisfactory completion of an MCC course in aeroplanes; or
(ii) hold a certificate of satisfactory completion of MCC in helicopters and have more than 100 hours of flight experience as a pilot on multi-pilot helicopters; or
(iii) have at least 500 hours as a pilot on multi-pilot helicopters; or
(iv) have at least 500 hours as a pilot in multi-pilot operations on single- pilot multi-engine aeroplanes, in commercial air transport in accordance with the applicable air operations requirements.
(e) Notwithstanding point (d), a Member State may issue a type rating with restricted privileges for multi-pilot aeroplanes that allows the holder of such rating to act as a cruise relief co-pilot above Flight Level 200, provided that two other members of the crew have a type rating in accordance with point (d).
(f) Additional multi-pilot and single-pilot high performance complex aeroplane type ratings. An applicant for the issue of additional multi-pilot type ratings and single-pilot high performance complex aeroplanes type ratings shall hold a multi-engine IR(a).
SECTION 2 - Specific requirements for the aeroplane category
FCL.720.A Experience requirements and prerequisites for the issue of class or type ratings — aeroplanes
Unless otherwise determined in the operational suitability data established in accordance with Part-21, an applicant for a class or type rating shall comply with the following experience requirements and prerequisites for the issue of the relevant rating:
(a) Single-pilot multi-engine aeroplanes. An applicant for a first class or type rating on a single-pilot multi-engine aeroplane shall have completed at least 70 hours as PIC on aeroplanes.
(b) Single-pilot high performance non-complex aeroplanes. Before starting flight training, an applicant for a first class or type rating for a single-pilot aeroplane classified as a high performance aeroplane shall:
(1) have at least 200 hours of total flying experience, of which 70 hours as PIC on aeroplanes; and
(2)
(i) hold a certificate of satisfactory completion of a course for additional theoretical knowledge undertaken at an ATO; or
(ii) have passed the ATPL(A) theoretical knowledge examinations in accordance with this Part; or
(iii) hold, in addition to a licence issued in accordance with this Part, an ATPL(A) or CPL(A)/IR with theoretical knowledge credit for ATPL(A), issued in accordance with Annex 1 to the Chicago Convention;
(3) in addition, pilots seeking the privilege to operate the aeroplane in multi- pilot operations shall meet the requirements of (d)(4).
(c) Single-pilot high performance complex aeroplanes. Applicants for the issue of a first type rating for a complex single-pilot aeroplane classified as a high performance aeroplane shall, in addition to meeting the requirements of (b), have fulfilled the requirements for a multi-engine IR(A), as established in Subpart G.
(d) Multi-pilot aeroplanes. An applicant for the first type rating course for a multi-pilot aeroplane shall be a student pilot currently undergoing training on an MPL training course or comply with the following requirements:
(1) have at least 70 hours of flight experience as PIC on aeroplanes;
(2) hold a multi-engine IR(A);
(3) have passed the ATPL(A) theoretical knowledge examinations in accordance with this Part; and
(4) except when the type rating course is combined with an MCC course:
(i) hold a certificate of satisfactory completion of an MCC course in aeroplanes; or
(ii) hold a certificate of satisfactory completion of MCC in helicopters and have more than 100 hours of flight experience as a pilot on multi-pilot helicopters; or
(iii) have at least 500 hours as a pilot on multi-pilot helicopters; or
(iv) have at least 500 hours as a pilot in multi-pilot operations on single- pilot multi-engine aeroplanes, in commercial air transport in accordance with the applicable air operations requirements.
(e) Notwithstanding point (d), a Member State may issue a type rating with restricted privileges for multi-pilot aeroplanes that allows the holder of such rating to act as a cruise relief co-pilot above Flight Level 200, provided that two other members of the crew have a type rating in accordance with point (d).
(f) Additional multi-pilot and single-pilot high performance complex aeroplane type ratings. An applicant for the issue of additional multi-pilot type ratings and single-pilot high performance complex aeroplanes type ratings shall hold a multi-engine IR(a).
In the UK you can renew an IR without renewing the MEP so you might be able to just do a couple of hours and then an MEIR test without the MEP part?
Also depends if "holds" infers a current valid IR or "holds" an expired one!
Also depends if "holds" infers a current valid IR or "holds" an expired one!