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Old 2nd May 2017, 09:11
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EASA FTL's

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Quick question but do management have issues with the worldwide pilot commuters with rest and acclimitations issues?

Say do BA crewing have an issue with a pilot living in say east coast USA and reporting for duty for a Hing Kong?

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Old 2nd May 2017, 11:30
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TBF given you've been quite specific and given us an airline, pilot's home area and destination airport I suspect many people are going to be wary about giving a direct answer without knowing why you ask?

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EASA require you to live within 90 minutes of your designated base, so I would say yes.
If you go fatigue, they will look at your lifestyle and catch you out very quickly. My company contract states I have to live no more than 2 hours from my base.
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Old 3rd May 2017, 09:03
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EASA require many things but living within 90 mins of your home base is not one of them - FTL only suggests that you consider a temporary arrangement whilst on duty... company rules are a different matter:

GM1 CS FTL.1.200 Home Base
TRAVELLING TIME
Crew members should consider making arrangements for temporary accommodation closer to their home base if the travelling time from their residence to their home base usually exceeds 90 minutes.



Regardless of the 90 minute thing, living East Coast USA and reporting Hong Kong you aren't going to be acclimatised in any way whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Pin Head
Quick question but do management have issues with the worldwide pilot commuters with rest and acclimitations issues?
Regardless of the 90 minute thing, living East Coast USA and reporting Hong Kong you aren't going to be acclimatised in any way whatsoever.
True, but in regards to the first question, i guess management would have issues about that if they knew. And they do make every effort not to know such things. Therefore it is the responsibility of the pilot to use his rest time in a manner to increase flight safety, it might be regarded as not quite that case if he flies in from the west coast to operate an eastbound flight.

I know many companies nowadays use myidtravel or similar arrangements for staff tickets, as that is a lufthansa company it is basically outsourced to a third party and the company doesn't know where and when you fly standby, they just get the billing information later. They don't want to know how and if you shuttle.

The airline will always point at ORO.FTL.115 and thats that.
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True, but in regards to the first question, i guess management would have issues about that if they knew. And they do make every effort not to know such things. Therefore it is the responsibility of the pilot to use his rest time in a manner to increase flight safety, it might be regarded as not quite that case if he flies in from the west coast to operate an eastbound flight.
I should imagine they well might! I agree entirely that one ought to make sensible arrangements so as not to compromise safety - and that a migration such as the OP mentions may with some justification be seen as not fitting the bill, there.
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The OP might not realise it but if there is a real BA pilot behind this story the OP has come very close to identifying the individual - it should be fairly self evident that only a limited number of BA pilots live on/near the east coast of the USA and of those only a limited number will be on fleets that operate to/from Hong Kong....just with that info from memory I can narrow it down to probably being one of 2 or 3 individuals, without even checking elsewhere, without doing a search of datebases, etc...if management took an interest they would probably find who it probably was in a couple of seconds....and if they do the poor b***** is going to get the third degree even if his/her travel arrangements are totally legit.

I make the latter point about "legit" because it's not actually made clear in the OP exactly how this individual arranges his/her travel and rest arrangements. Someone saying they are going "off to LHR to do a HKG" may not mean an immediate report for work on arrival at LHR, though it might give that impression, so maybe we need to be careful about calling "foul" on the basis of what we know for definite so far.

On a final and a general point BA do not have a rule on where pilots live, but they do need to comply with EASA FTLs and consider the need for local accommodation/alternative arrangements, etc. All the Longhaul commuters I know use local accommodation when/as required to comply with FTLs.

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