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Old 30th Nov 2001, 02:59   #1 (permalink)
 
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Wink how much does it cost to fly a 747

I was just wondering how much it costs to fly a jumbo from say London to Hong Kong, including fuel, taxes, rampl fees, catering etc. etc.

I know it must be thousands of pounds (£GB) but i have no idea exactly how much, i was hoping someone out there might know

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Old 30th Nov 2001, 03:08   #2 (permalink)
 
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I hired one for 34 quid an hour last week, great value for money.

Saw a TV program on 747s a while back now and I seem to remember them saying that on an average LHR - JFK flight, a 747 makes half a million dollars profit on 2 sectors (there and back). Think it was half a million, it was big money anyway. Perhaps it doesn´t cost as much as you would first think?
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Old 30th Nov 2001, 10:42   #3 (permalink)
 
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Wow £34 - that is cheaper than my Warrior, but i do not think you can get a 747 into Goodwood or Southampton
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Old 30th Nov 2001, 13:53   #4 (permalink)
 
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DJXL must be in a group. ;-)

"1/6 share in B747, based Heathrow, good availability. £12.5m, £80,000 per month. £34/hour dry. Self maintained."
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There was a post recently about 767 running costs. I seem to remember $60,000 for a 4 hour sector in the US of which $6,000 was nav charges. Maybe the same post mentioned 747's.

Thinking about it if the avg 747 on a trip to the US has 10 first class pax at £3000 each (one way), 20 Bus class at £2000 each and 250 of the rest of us at £400 each that makes £170,000.

Assuming no profit is made (if you believe the airlines) that makes an hourly cost on a 7 hour trip of £24,000 per hour ish.

You can argue fares and loading but theres a ballpark figure for you.

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Old 30th Nov 2001, 17:35   #6 (permalink)
 
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Ok so how much would a type rating on a 747-200 cost??
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Old 30th Nov 2001, 22:24   #7 (permalink)
 
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Yes folks! It's definitely time to revive the PPL with 747 type rating silliness...

My initial digging through UK AIM seems to suggest this is possible... here goes (I must be wrong, surely)...

The CPL requirement is for transport.
ATPL requirement is for multi pilot.
Two pilot requirement is for engine config/weight, when it's transport.

So, private flying isn't transport, no two pilot requirement, so our deep-pocketed PPL can solo his 747?

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Old 30th Nov 2001, 22:58   #8 (permalink)
 
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when i did a LHR - JFK with BA the 744 was configured
14 First
104 Club World Flatbed
approx 150 economy....

most of the club seats were filled, so in good times the majors are pulling in a hell of a lot of revenue on a trans atlantic trip. shame it seems to go on subsidising the loss making shorthaul..
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Old 2nd Dec 2001, 04:08   #9 (permalink)
 
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I think you will find the 747 is a 2 Pilot aircraft also it is above >5700 kg and therefore single pilot operations is not possible.
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Old 2nd Dec 2001, 06:59   #10 (permalink)
 
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Not to forget the makers limitation stipulates min crew.
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Old 2nd Dec 2001, 08:40   #11 (permalink)
 
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Rule of thumb that a guy at Swissair told me a few years ago, when they still had 747's was:

"Think of a long-haul with a fat-albert as a Sfr. 1 Mio. project - there & back."

That would give around £300 per minute wet (ie: all costs, crew, fuel, fees, food, lease/amortisation, maintenance reserves, etc., even profit in those days) if Bill's calculator works.

Or looking at it another way - that is around a £1 a seat a minute with zero deductions for freight.

So a Spitfire has to be cheaper, especiall the Triumph version. Mine runs at around a £5er a day - all in.

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Old 3rd Dec 2001, 03:34   #12 (permalink)
 
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Thanks everyone
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An average cost is US$6965/hr

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Old 3rd Dec 2001, 23:19   #14 (permalink)

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Type rating cost:

I paid $11,000.00 10 years ago.
Ground school and sim only.

Sims run at about $400.00 per hour.

Direct operating cost can be as low as $3,000
per hour.
Then add fixed expenses and double the figure.

JAL's cost of flying their -200 series was about $15,000.00 per hour a while ago.

(I did 6 hours of touch and goes with a JAL bird, that cost 'em 90K...)

For a new -400, figure $1 mill a month in interest alone.

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Old 22nd Dec 2001, 21:37   #15 (permalink)
 
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Some aircraft over 12500lbs (5700kg) are certified for single pilot operation. BE 1900, Metro.
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Old 23rd Dec 2001, 18:48   #16 (permalink)
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You will find that B747-400 has been certified under JAR/FAR 25( Transport Category )with a minimum flight crew of 2 pilots. So no PPL will legally solo this big bird.

B747 ´Classic´ was originally certified either with 3 pilots or 2 pilots and Flight engineer as flight crew.

Yes some aircraft weigh above 12500lbs. But issue is not weight rather than certification.

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Old 24th Dec 2001, 01:15   #17 (permalink)
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As I recall, to get a rating you must do a simulated de-pressurisation. If you know somebody who didn't then perhaps you'll find it wasn't their first jet.

To do that you need to go into upper airspace hence you need an IR which is getting on for as difficult as a CPL so... PPL? No not really.
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