Intersky Bombardier hits Power Cable
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That wasn't the question ... where is the report ??
A line or two in the press about how much it was going to cost to fix the plane does not constitute information that may prevent future incidents with possible loss of life which appears to have been a distinct possibility here. Almost 18 months on .... nothing.
A line or two in the press about how much it was going to cost to fix the plane does not constitute information that may prevent future incidents with possible loss of life which appears to have been a distinct possibility here. Almost 18 months on .... nothing.
If I mention the country where the aforementioned cable was installed, would it reduce the amount of wondering over time it takes to publish the report?
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When an incident occurs with a G-reg the AAIB investigates with the assistanceof the local authorities no? Ergo this should be an Austrian LBA matter with Italian support surely ?
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When an incident occurs with a G-reg the AAIB investigates with the assistanceof the local authorities no?
For an accident or serious incident falling within the remit, Annex 13 says:
5.1 The State of Occurrence shall institute an investigation into the circumstances of the accident and be responsible for the conduct of the investigation, but it may delegate the whole or any part of the conducting of such investigation to another State or a regional accident investigation organization by mutual arrangement and consent. In any event, the State of Occurrence shall use every means to facilitate the investigation.
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5.18 The State of Registry, the State of the Operator, the State of Design and the State of Manufacture shall each be entitled to appoint an accredited representative to participate in the investigation.
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The plane had to go under the wire otherwise there would be damage to the nose and radome.
If you mentally rotate the prop to the vertical downward, this becomes obvious.
Also, it hit at an angle since there was no damage the the left prop.
If you mentally rotate the prop to the vertical downward, this becomes obvious.
Also, it hit at an angle since there was no damage the the left prop.
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"Two years on .....
and where is the report ?????"
Teddy, and anyone else keen on a report, have a look at my thread "Missing Accident Report", then relax and go back to watching that float bobbing.
2 years in the Italian Air Accident reporting timescale is minute in comparison with other nations.
and where is the report ?????"
Teddy, and anyone else keen on a report, have a look at my thread "Missing Accident Report", then relax and go back to watching that float bobbing.
2 years in the Italian Air Accident reporting timescale is minute in comparison with other nations.
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From the AAIB website
2. Definition of a Serious Incident
“Serious Incident” means an incident involving circumstances indicating that there was a high probability of an accident and is associated with the operation of an aircraft, which in the case of a manned aircraft, takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight until such time as all such persons have disembarked, or in the case of an unmanned aircraft, takes place between the time the aircraft is ready to move with the purpose of flight until such time it comes to rest at the end of the flight and the primary propulsion system is shut down.
The incidents listed below are typical examples of serious incidents. The list is not exhaustive and only serves as a guide to the definition of ‘serious incident’.
A near collision requiring an avoidance manoeuvre or when an avoiding manoeuvre would have been appropriate to avoid a collision or an unsafe situation.
Controlled flight into terrain (CFIT) only marginally avoided.
An aborted takeoff or a takeoff using a closed or engaged runway, a taxiway or unassigned runway.
A landing or attempted landing on a closed or engaged runway, a taxiway or unassigned runway.
Gross failure to achieve predicted performance during takeoff or initial climb.
All fires and/or smoke in the cockpit, in the passenger compartment, in cargo compartments or engine fires, even though such fires were extinguished with extinguishing agents.
Any events which require the emergency use of oxygen by the flight crew.
Aircraft structural failure or engine disintegration, including uncontained turbine engine failure, which is not classified as an accident.
Multiple malfunctions of one or more aircraft systems that seriously affect the operation of the aircraft.
Any case of flight crew incapacitation in flight.
Any fuel state which would require the declaration of an emergency by the pilot.
Runway incursions classified with severity A. The ‘Manual on the Prevention of Runway Incursions’ (Doc 9870) contains information on the severity classifications.
Takeoff or landing incidents, such as undershooting, overrunning or running off the side of runways.
System failures, weather phenomena, operation outside the approved flight envelope or other occurrences which caused or could have caused difficulties controlling the aircraft.
Failure of more than one system in a redundancy system which is mandatory for flight guidance and navigation.
The unintentional or, as an emergency measure, the intentional release of a slung load or any other load carried external to the aircraft.
“Serious Incident” means an incident involving circumstances indicating that there was a high probability of an accident and is associated with the operation of an aircraft, which in the case of a manned aircraft, takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight until such time as all such persons have disembarked, or in the case of an unmanned aircraft, takes place between the time the aircraft is ready to move with the purpose of flight until such time it comes to rest at the end of the flight and the primary propulsion system is shut down.
The incidents listed below are typical examples of serious incidents. The list is not exhaustive and only serves as a guide to the definition of ‘serious incident’.
A near collision requiring an avoidance manoeuvre or when an avoiding manoeuvre would have been appropriate to avoid a collision or an unsafe situation.
Controlled flight into terrain (CFIT) only marginally avoided.
An aborted takeoff or a takeoff using a closed or engaged runway, a taxiway or unassigned runway.
A landing or attempted landing on a closed or engaged runway, a taxiway or unassigned runway.
Gross failure to achieve predicted performance during takeoff or initial climb.
All fires and/or smoke in the cockpit, in the passenger compartment, in cargo compartments or engine fires, even though such fires were extinguished with extinguishing agents.
Any events which require the emergency use of oxygen by the flight crew.
Aircraft structural failure or engine disintegration, including uncontained turbine engine failure, which is not classified as an accident.
Multiple malfunctions of one or more aircraft systems that seriously affect the operation of the aircraft.
Any case of flight crew incapacitation in flight.
Any fuel state which would require the declaration of an emergency by the pilot.
Runway incursions classified with severity A. The ‘Manual on the Prevention of Runway Incursions’ (Doc 9870) contains information on the severity classifications.
Takeoff or landing incidents, such as undershooting, overrunning or running off the side of runways.
System failures, weather phenomena, operation outside the approved flight envelope or other occurrences which caused or could have caused difficulties controlling the aircraft.
Failure of more than one system in a redundancy system which is mandatory for flight guidance and navigation.
The unintentional or, as an emergency measure, the intentional release of a slung load or any other load carried external to the aircraft.
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From a compliance and safety viewpoint, regardless of a state investigation, the Operator should have conducted its own internal investigation into the previous event. Was this done, what was the output, was the output acted upon? Does someone really have to be killed before consideration is giving to re-routing the power lines???
For my own interest, and I'm not familiar with the location, is it considered a Category C airfield?
For my own interest, and I'm not familiar with the location, is it considered a Category C airfield?
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5 years later
Still no report.
I really prefer to refrain for terms such as "brushing under the carpet" but it does appear that there is a distinct reluctance to share information pertaining to this serious incident in order to further the interests of flight safety awareness.
I really prefer to refrain for terms such as "brushing under the carpet" but it does appear that there is a distinct reluctance to share information pertaining to this serious incident in order to further the interests of flight safety awareness.
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It is indeed a disgrace. The sort of thing that happen is so-called Banana Republics in so called 3rd World countries with despot dictators, not in so called civilised Europe.
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Perhaps its just a DHC8 thing ??
http://http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/556963-wideroe-w-35-pax-nose-dive-recovered-82-feet-suppressed-airline-4-years-3.html
My understanding from a discrete but reputable source was that the pressure hull was also compromised by cable impact during the Elba incident.
My understanding from a discrete but reputable source was that the pressure hull was also compromised by cable impact during the Elba incident.
