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There are numerous reports that would strongly suggest that ufos are not of human origin, such as military sightings of craft disabling ICBMs, both in the ground and in space, outmaneuvring every known aeroplane we have and even missiles. Uri Gagharin for example - on his first trip into space said he saw ufos there. A Disclosure Project witness came forward last year (he was a scientist at NASA) responsible for the images received from the Cassini-Huygens probe - he said he was being ordered to suppress images of ufos near Saturn.
Gordon Cooper (the Apollo astronaut and military pilot) spoke openly about many sightings of craft not in any military arsenal and also of agents who came and took the evidence away.
WB Smith in the 50's knew back then the uaps (ufos) were FAR more advanced than anything we had then or have now. The 4 officers whose job it was to retract the first statement made by the military in 1947 that the Roswell crash (originally a flying saucer - two hours later a weather balloon) have now come forward since their retirement as they are no longer restricted by silence, and have said they were told to lie - it really was a saucer shaped craft with non-human entities inside.
There are stories of reverse engineering these craft to create stealth technology, zero-point over unity energy sources (like Tesla's inventions) and anti gravity technology. Black triangles, silent helicopters and the so-called Aurora are examples of this.
Like everything surrounding this issue it is down to the value of human testimony. It raises the question : are we as a race going to go on calling people who have seen these things liars forever? And if so does that reflect the validity of their story or more importantly the level to which we are willing to realise our place in the universe and the truth of our preconceptions? It is the structure of the world leadership that keeps all this hidden from collective human consciousness but we are slowly starting to come round. Look at the riots at Bush's inauguration for example.
Now as for the NASA ufos - are we surprised that give a mundane explanation for them? After 50 years of a cover up? Do not be so quick to believe official explanations. They are mainly disinformation. What NASA didnt tell you was that the UFOs filmed at the tether were only visible in Ultra-Violet (beyond the crossing point of light) and they were estimated to be 3 miles across!! The shape of the craft were round with a black hole in the middle and a V-shaped notch out of one side - rotating counter clockwise. Now identical shapes have been found dating back to ancient Sumatran times with wooden carvings of the same thing with ancinet stories of visitors for the sky.
Also remember the 11 ufos captured on Infra Red (beyond the crossing point of light) by cameras on military planes in May 2004. The story here goes - the US caught movements on radar over the border between Mexico and the USA. The US had no planes in the vacinity to get there in time to check it out. They instructed the Mexican air force to intercept as they suspected private planes smuggling drugs over the border. When the Mexican military pilots arived on the scene they could see nothing with their eyes but picked them up on radar. They switched on IR cameras and hey presto the craft showed up. 11 flying in formation. After a while the ufos changed direction and surrounded the persuing fighter jet. The authorities were instucted by the US not to disclose this info but the Mexican gov't decided they would. It made big news, and I still have the clips on my pc. I can send this clip to anyone who asks.
Russia had a massive covert ufo investigation going for years, the info from which is now available since the fall of the USSR.
If anyone would like to see some very profound witness testimony I recommend checking the testimony section of www.disclosureproject.org The only thing stopping disclosure now is the lack of unified efforts of earths people to get it disclosed. The Illuminati world leadership structure controls every facet of the clockwork system of "life" including the media that defines popular consciousness. There are hundreds of sightings every month - none are reported on the big news - even when top ranking military, police or pilot witnesses are invovled. Why? I can also answer this but only if asked - this reply is long winded enough. But by all means please check out any fact I have stated for yourself, check its authenticity and draw your own conclusions. All I can do is show you - I cannot make you look.
Heathrow Director - are you familiar with www.skywatch-international.org - you can keep up to date with all the latest sightings around the world. There are dozens every week.
Love and Light
Dean Rose
Gordon Cooper (the Apollo astronaut and military pilot) spoke openly about many sightings of craft not in any military arsenal and also of agents who came and took the evidence away.
WB Smith in the 50's knew back then the uaps (ufos) were FAR more advanced than anything we had then or have now. The 4 officers whose job it was to retract the first statement made by the military in 1947 that the Roswell crash (originally a flying saucer - two hours later a weather balloon) have now come forward since their retirement as they are no longer restricted by silence, and have said they were told to lie - it really was a saucer shaped craft with non-human entities inside.
There are stories of reverse engineering these craft to create stealth technology, zero-point over unity energy sources (like Tesla's inventions) and anti gravity technology. Black triangles, silent helicopters and the so-called Aurora are examples of this.
Like everything surrounding this issue it is down to the value of human testimony. It raises the question : are we as a race going to go on calling people who have seen these things liars forever? And if so does that reflect the validity of their story or more importantly the level to which we are willing to realise our place in the universe and the truth of our preconceptions? It is the structure of the world leadership that keeps all this hidden from collective human consciousness but we are slowly starting to come round. Look at the riots at Bush's inauguration for example.
Now as for the NASA ufos - are we surprised that give a mundane explanation for them? After 50 years of a cover up? Do not be so quick to believe official explanations. They are mainly disinformation. What NASA didnt tell you was that the UFOs filmed at the tether were only visible in Ultra-Violet (beyond the crossing point of light) and they were estimated to be 3 miles across!! The shape of the craft were round with a black hole in the middle and a V-shaped notch out of one side - rotating counter clockwise. Now identical shapes have been found dating back to ancient Sumatran times with wooden carvings of the same thing with ancinet stories of visitors for the sky.
Also remember the 11 ufos captured on Infra Red (beyond the crossing point of light) by cameras on military planes in May 2004. The story here goes - the US caught movements on radar over the border between Mexico and the USA. The US had no planes in the vacinity to get there in time to check it out. They instructed the Mexican air force to intercept as they suspected private planes smuggling drugs over the border. When the Mexican military pilots arived on the scene they could see nothing with their eyes but picked them up on radar. They switched on IR cameras and hey presto the craft showed up. 11 flying in formation. After a while the ufos changed direction and surrounded the persuing fighter jet. The authorities were instucted by the US not to disclose this info but the Mexican gov't decided they would. It made big news, and I still have the clips on my pc. I can send this clip to anyone who asks.
Russia had a massive covert ufo investigation going for years, the info from which is now available since the fall of the USSR.
If anyone would like to see some very profound witness testimony I recommend checking the testimony section of www.disclosureproject.org The only thing stopping disclosure now is the lack of unified efforts of earths people to get it disclosed. The Illuminati world leadership structure controls every facet of the clockwork system of "life" including the media that defines popular consciousness. There are hundreds of sightings every month - none are reported on the big news - even when top ranking military, police or pilot witnesses are invovled. Why? I can also answer this but only if asked - this reply is long winded enough. But by all means please check out any fact I have stated for yourself, check its authenticity and draw your own conclusions. All I can do is show you - I cannot make you look.
Heathrow Director - are you familiar with www.skywatch-international.org - you can keep up to date with all the latest sightings around the world. There are dozens every week.
Love and Light
Dean Rose
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"The Illuminati world leadership structure controls every facet of the clockwork system of "life" including the media that defines popular consciousness." 
Time for Jet Blast me thinks...
Time for Jet Blast me thinks...
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There are stories of reverse engineering these craft to create stealth technology
No reverse engineering of UFOs required
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Having also been interested in UFO's for a number of years I think that the number of sightings that could come close to being considered "alien" could be counted on the fingers of one hand - and then probably further research could disprove them.
ones with multiple witnesses (like the Hopkinsville sightings) or photos such as the McMinville photos (sorry about the spelling) could be considered but i can't really think of any others.
I'm quite interested in the ones (such as Rendlesham Forest) which started off as UFO sightinigs but i think hide some much more intriguing mysteries.........
ones with multiple witnesses (like the Hopkinsville sightings) or photos such as the McMinville photos (sorry about the spelling) could be considered but i can't really think of any others.
I'm quite interested in the ones (such as Rendlesham Forest) which started off as UFO sightinigs but i think hide some much more intriguing mysteries.........
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I love a good UFO discussion, although some recent posts are sending this thread South 8-(
I started young with my interest sparked by the following event. Since then I have always had an interest if not active. It's funny how as I get older I just shrug my shoulders and think that I will probably never know and simply adjust to that where as a younger lad I was desperate to understand.
When I was traveling across the Scottish Highlands with my parents (I was 9 at the time) we all saw an unusual light, it was pitch black out there and easy to spot. My dad was in the RAF and thought is was just a helicopter hovering about 100 feet off the ground. Well we watched it for a while and then it started to climb in what I would describe as a step movement (up the along, up the along) and then it shot up at a slight angle and away at an incredible rate to be out of sight in moments!
Well Dad said that was no helicopter...
We all remember it to this day and that was 27 years ago for me.
I'm not saying it was a extraterrestrial craft, I just know of no craft man made that could perform such a maneuver at that speed.....assuming it was something physical that is.
I have asked a few people over the years about unusual sightings and it's interesting home many stories are told when they know I'm not going to ridicule them.
My Father-in-law does not even like watching si-fi stuff and has not time for such weird and wonderful stuff as he says to me "son, can it make me any money?" then I'm not interested. Well that same person told me after a few drinks that he saw something crazy when he woke one evening at around 3am and happened to look out his upstairs window towards the ocean. He said it was a bright blue light that he watched hover over the ocean at about 45 deg then to his amazement it moved a high speed away to the west and was gone over the horizon in moments. Freaked him out. He still won't waste his time with it though.
So there are a couple of little stories that don't prove anything other than some weird stuff goes on in the wonderful world of ours.
I started young with my interest sparked by the following event. Since then I have always had an interest if not active. It's funny how as I get older I just shrug my shoulders and think that I will probably never know and simply adjust to that where as a younger lad I was desperate to understand.
When I was traveling across the Scottish Highlands with my parents (I was 9 at the time) we all saw an unusual light, it was pitch black out there and easy to spot. My dad was in the RAF and thought is was just a helicopter hovering about 100 feet off the ground. Well we watched it for a while and then it started to climb in what I would describe as a step movement (up the along, up the along) and then it shot up at a slight angle and away at an incredible rate to be out of sight in moments!
Well Dad said that was no helicopter...
We all remember it to this day and that was 27 years ago for me.
I'm not saying it was a extraterrestrial craft, I just know of no craft man made that could perform such a maneuver at that speed.....assuming it was something physical that is.
I have asked a few people over the years about unusual sightings and it's interesting home many stories are told when they know I'm not going to ridicule them.
My Father-in-law does not even like watching si-fi stuff and has not time for such weird and wonderful stuff as he says to me "son, can it make me any money?" then I'm not interested. Well that same person told me after a few drinks that he saw something crazy when he woke one evening at around 3am and happened to look out his upstairs window towards the ocean. He said it was a bright blue light that he watched hover over the ocean at about 45 deg then to his amazement it moved a high speed away to the west and was gone over the horizon in moments. Freaked him out. He still won't waste his time with it though.
So there are a couple of little stories that don't prove anything other than some weird stuff goes on in the wonderful world of ours.
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Hia everyone,
Just an update about our progress at www.ukffd.org (www.disclosureproject.org) : we now have four P Pilot witnesses who have allowed us to use testimony of their encounters, and I thank each one of them for their kind help. We are also in the process of acquiring military witness testimony, and would welcome any further pilots from this forum to contact us.
Meanwhile - I thought you chaps might be interested in a few of these :
http://www.micom.net/oops/
Love and Light
Dean R
Just an update about our progress at www.ukffd.org (www.disclosureproject.org) : we now have four P Pilot witnesses who have allowed us to use testimony of their encounters, and I thank each one of them for their kind help. We are also in the process of acquiring military witness testimony, and would welcome any further pilots from this forum to contact us.
Meanwhile - I thought you chaps might be interested in a few of these :
http://www.micom.net/oops/
Love and Light
Dean R
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UKFFD/Disclosure project
In his last post, Dean wrote:
"Just an update about our progress at www.ukffd.org (www.disclosureproject.org) : "
In an earlier post, he wrote:
"1) Find links to the Aetherius Society (there aren't any). The person he is referring to I believe is Ananda Sirisena who is NOT involved with UKFFD, and never has been. "
Yet at:
http://www.disclosureproject.org/Events.htm#RepEvents
Is the following entry:
"Date/Time
Sunday, 17 April 2005, 2-5 pm &
Saturday 11 June 2005, 2-5 pm
Description
Disclosure Project representative Ananda Sirisena will be speaking at and showing portions of the National Press Club tape at the UFO Contacts Seminar.
Venue: Inner Potential Centre, 36 Kelvedon Road, Fulham "
So, Dean, how do you reconcile the evident link between the Disclosure Project, UKFFD, and Ananda Siresena, who you are so anxious to disassociate with?
Regards,
Joe (Not a professional debunker, just armed with a little common sense) McGonagle
"Just an update about our progress at www.ukffd.org (www.disclosureproject.org) : "
In an earlier post, he wrote:
"1) Find links to the Aetherius Society (there aren't any). The person he is referring to I believe is Ananda Sirisena who is NOT involved with UKFFD, and never has been. "
Yet at:
http://www.disclosureproject.org/Events.htm#RepEvents
Is the following entry:
"Date/Time
Sunday, 17 April 2005, 2-5 pm &
Saturday 11 June 2005, 2-5 pm
Description
Disclosure Project representative Ananda Sirisena will be speaking at and showing portions of the National Press Club tape at the UFO Contacts Seminar.
Venue: Inner Potential Centre, 36 Kelvedon Road, Fulham "
So, Dean, how do you reconcile the evident link between the Disclosure Project, UKFFD, and Ananda Siresena, who you are so anxious to disassociate with?
Regards,
Joe (Not a professional debunker, just armed with a little common sense) McGonagle
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Yes thanks for that Joe,
Ananda is a rep for www.disclosureproject.org and apart from that he is entitled to his own beliefs. You wouldnt deny a member of ufologyuk their religion would you?
Just to clarify what Aetherius is, here is a link :
http://www.aetherius.org/
He might even be right in this way of thinking for all I know, I dont know I havent looked into it. As for www.ukffd.org which is what I was talking about, he is not involved with this. This is run by myself and Andrew Johnson of Derby, and we take a truthful and unbiased approach to witnesses who come forward with sightings of UAP.
We now have had three witnesses come forward from Pprune, and I thank them greatly for their openness and non-fear of ridicule. Their testimony is available at our site above. I am now looking into witnesses in other professions, equally as respectable as the Pilot profession. They will become available to view as they are found. I encourage all to come forward with the truth. The world attitude is changing, and this is evident from the US mainstream news program ABCs program due to be aired tomorrow (24th feb.) The truth is going to come out more and more, and everyone who wishes to be part of that is encouraged to come forward. For example, Gary Heseltine has the biggest mutual group of Police ufo witnesses in the UK. All of these people are important. Someone in the military, emergency services, aviation, government is much more likely to be believed by the general public, due to the high degree of responsibilty and trust that accompanies their profession.
Good to see you are in good health and high spirits Joe. Write me any time - Id prefer you did it privately (you still have my email address) as these issues are likely to be frowned upon by Pprune admin by being debated here.
Respectfully
Dean Rose
Ananda is a rep for www.disclosureproject.org and apart from that he is entitled to his own beliefs. You wouldnt deny a member of ufologyuk their religion would you?
Just to clarify what Aetherius is, here is a link :
http://www.aetherius.org/
He might even be right in this way of thinking for all I know, I dont know I havent looked into it. As for www.ukffd.org which is what I was talking about, he is not involved with this. This is run by myself and Andrew Johnson of Derby, and we take a truthful and unbiased approach to witnesses who come forward with sightings of UAP.
We now have had three witnesses come forward from Pprune, and I thank them greatly for their openness and non-fear of ridicule. Their testimony is available at our site above. I am now looking into witnesses in other professions, equally as respectable as the Pilot profession. They will become available to view as they are found. I encourage all to come forward with the truth. The world attitude is changing, and this is evident from the US mainstream news program ABCs program due to be aired tomorrow (24th feb.) The truth is going to come out more and more, and everyone who wishes to be part of that is encouraged to come forward. For example, Gary Heseltine has the biggest mutual group of Police ufo witnesses in the UK. All of these people are important. Someone in the military, emergency services, aviation, government is much more likely to be believed by the general public, due to the high degree of responsibilty and trust that accompanies their profession.
Good to see you are in good health and high spirits Joe. Write me any time - Id prefer you did it privately (you still have my email address) as these issues are likely to be frowned upon by Pprune admin by being debated here.
Respectfully
Dean Rose
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I am in a rush at the moment, I do have other things to say, but I think it is interesting to note the edits that you made to your last post:
1. Ananda has changed gender from female to male. I hope he is happy with his gender re-assignment.
2. Dean Heseltine has changed back to his real name "Gary".
3. You have dropped the word "scientific" from the phrase "we take a truthful and unbiased approach" in recognition that your approach is far from scientific (or even rational as far as I can tell).
Obviously accuracy is just an afterthought as far as your activities are concerned. There may be other changes which I haven't noticed yet, but I'm sure people get my drift.
Joe
1. Ananda has changed gender from female to male. I hope he is happy with his gender re-assignment.
2. Dean Heseltine has changed back to his real name "Gary".
3. You have dropped the word "scientific" from the phrase "we take a truthful and unbiased approach" in recognition that your approach is far from scientific (or even rational as far as I can tell).
Obviously accuracy is just an afterthought as far as your activities are concerned. There may be other changes which I haven't noticed yet, but I'm sure people get my drift.
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Well, Dean has emailed me off-list, stating that he would not be responding to any further posts from me in a public forum. It's a pity, I'm sure that some of you would like to know the exact nature of the relationship between the Disclosure Project (DP) and UKFFD, how it is that the DP appears to be competing with the UKFFD in the UK (unless of course Ananda Sirisena is closer to the UKFFD than Dean would have you believe).
For the record, my beef with the UKFFD is that it is likely to _set_back_ any serious interest from the scientific and government communities by at least ten years, due to their total lack of objectivity and their association with the DP (which has been known to charge people hundreds of dollars to flash powerful lamps at stars in an effort to establish communication with "Extraterrestrial Intelligence" (ETI)). At first, I suggested ways in which they might court more sympathetic responses from the media/government/science, but finally gave up and decided that if they were going to wreck any possibility of serious treatment of the subject, then I would actively attempt to expose their weaknesses.
My personal perspective is that people do see and experience unusual things associated with UFOs. I do not totally reject the notion that some might be related to extraterrestrial activity, though I do think it unlikely. As far as military cover-ups in the UK are concerned, they have over the years actively played-down any unusual aspects of the phenomenon, but they seem to know less about UFOs than the more objective and experienced ufologists do.
That leads me on to another pet topic of ufology. Unlike pilots, there is no certification scheme for ufology. This means that anyone can call themselves an ufologist, even if they are clearly off their rocker, or have the analytical skills of a lemming. Imagine the situation if people didn't need to pass exams or carry out training before they can fly an aircraft - well, that's the situation that ufology is in today.
I have read the sighting reports in this thread with interest. I shall be contacting some of you privately, though unfortunately I don't have sufficient time to follow up each and every report. I have more information about some of the reports which I have seen on this forum, and as I get time, I shall try to post the details here.
As an example of the hype that prevails on the internet, there is some fascinating footage from 1966, billed as "TOP SECRET - UFO sighting from plane (England, 1966)". It is very impressive, and it made the news at the time. It can be viewed at:
http://www.thelosthaven.co.uk/ufosig...aneuk1966.mpeg
It might also amuse you to visit some of the other rubbish at the site, but make sure that you disable all nearby BS detectors, or you will be deafened!
For the real story of this "TOP SECRET" sighting, visit:
http://magonia.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/mbapr66.htm
and:
http://magonia.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/mbjun66.htm
There are however some excellent sites about UFOs. Here are a few links to whet your appetite:
http://www.magonia.demon.co.uk
http://magonia.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/
http://www.ufology.org.uk/
http://www.project1947.com/
http://www.parcellular.fsnet.co.uk/Lakenheath.htm
http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/
You will find them a lot more objective and interesting than some of the other links that have been put forward on this thread.
Finally, I would like to plug an email list which I administer for people interested in UK ufology. We have over 900 registered members, including some well-known British researchers, authors, and investigators. If you really are interested, you can register (free) at:
http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/ufologyinuk
Regards,
Joe
For the record, my beef with the UKFFD is that it is likely to _set_back_ any serious interest from the scientific and government communities by at least ten years, due to their total lack of objectivity and their association with the DP (which has been known to charge people hundreds of dollars to flash powerful lamps at stars in an effort to establish communication with "Extraterrestrial Intelligence" (ETI)). At first, I suggested ways in which they might court more sympathetic responses from the media/government/science, but finally gave up and decided that if they were going to wreck any possibility of serious treatment of the subject, then I would actively attempt to expose their weaknesses.
My personal perspective is that people do see and experience unusual things associated with UFOs. I do not totally reject the notion that some might be related to extraterrestrial activity, though I do think it unlikely. As far as military cover-ups in the UK are concerned, they have over the years actively played-down any unusual aspects of the phenomenon, but they seem to know less about UFOs than the more objective and experienced ufologists do.
That leads me on to another pet topic of ufology. Unlike pilots, there is no certification scheme for ufology. This means that anyone can call themselves an ufologist, even if they are clearly off their rocker, or have the analytical skills of a lemming. Imagine the situation if people didn't need to pass exams or carry out training before they can fly an aircraft - well, that's the situation that ufology is in today.
I have read the sighting reports in this thread with interest. I shall be contacting some of you privately, though unfortunately I don't have sufficient time to follow up each and every report. I have more information about some of the reports which I have seen on this forum, and as I get time, I shall try to post the details here.
As an example of the hype that prevails on the internet, there is some fascinating footage from 1966, billed as "TOP SECRET - UFO sighting from plane (England, 1966)". It is very impressive, and it made the news at the time. It can be viewed at:
http://www.thelosthaven.co.uk/ufosig...aneuk1966.mpeg
It might also amuse you to visit some of the other rubbish at the site, but make sure that you disable all nearby BS detectors, or you will be deafened!
For the real story of this "TOP SECRET" sighting, visit:
http://magonia.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/mbapr66.htm
and:
http://magonia.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/mbjun66.htm
There are however some excellent sites about UFOs. Here are a few links to whet your appetite:
http://www.magonia.demon.co.uk
http://magonia.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/
http://www.ufology.org.uk/
http://www.project1947.com/
http://www.parcellular.fsnet.co.uk/Lakenheath.htm
http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/
You will find them a lot more objective and interesting than some of the other links that have been put forward on this thread.
Finally, I would like to plug an email list which I administer for people interested in UK ufology. We have over 900 registered members, including some well-known British researchers, authors, and investigators. If you really are interested, you can register (free) at:
http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/ufologyinuk
Regards,
Joe
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Here's one for extreme loonies:
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Greetings everyone,
Hope everyone is well, and I apologise in advance unless thispost gets deleted - but I can bite my teeth no longer. I am a ufologist, that does not make me a nerd, on the contrary. Joe McGonagol likes to play games and manipulate truths into his games - thats called propeganda. I refused from the start to play his games and hes insisted on trying to drag me into them - I only have one thing to say to Joe and thats no one takes for a fool - call me unprofessional I dont care, whenever I have the misfortune of meeting you I am going to knock you out - got it. End of story. Thats a promise.
Just in case this paints me in a bad light with any flying folk you can get a better idea of who I am here if you choose to look :
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/st...dchemistry.htm
Its just like Joe to register with that site now and start playing his games there mark my words.
Regards
Dean (the shady occultist - PS If anyone would like to spend £500 I have a torch you can shine at the sky)
Hope everyone is well, and I apologise in advance unless thispost gets deleted - but I can bite my teeth no longer. I am a ufologist, that does not make me a nerd, on the contrary. Joe McGonagol likes to play games and manipulate truths into his games - thats called propeganda. I refused from the start to play his games and hes insisted on trying to drag me into them - I only have one thing to say to Joe and thats no one takes for a fool - call me unprofessional I dont care, whenever I have the misfortune of meeting you I am going to knock you out - got it. End of story. Thats a promise.
Just in case this paints me in a bad light with any flying folk you can get a better idea of who I am here if you choose to look :
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/st...dchemistry.htm
Its just like Joe to register with that site now and start playing his games there mark my words.
Regards
Dean (the shady occultist - PS If anyone would like to spend £500 I have a torch you can shine at the sky)
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Oh dear....
We finally see Dean in his true colours...
Hardly in keeping with his blatherings about fighting oppression, campaigning for freedom, or opposition to violence.
Actually, his other site at:
http://www.newrevolution.bravehost.com/
makes far more interesting reading than the one he just posted.
Dean, I don't know what you have been imbibing, but you really shouldn't go near a keyboard if you are indulging in anything alchoholic or hallucogenic....
I look forward to our first meeting (I shall be at the LAPIS conference in St. Annes on June the 18th - details can be found at http://www.spiuk.net/other_events/lapis_2005.htm).
Regards,
Joe
We finally see Dean in his true colours...
Hardly in keeping with his blatherings about fighting oppression, campaigning for freedom, or opposition to violence.
Actually, his other site at:
http://www.newrevolution.bravehost.com/
makes far more interesting reading than the one he just posted.
Dean, I don't know what you have been imbibing, but you really shouldn't go near a keyboard if you are indulging in anything alchoholic or hallucogenic....
I look forward to our first meeting (I shall be at the LAPIS conference in St. Annes on June the 18th - details can be found at http://www.spiuk.net/other_events/lapis_2005.htm).
Regards,
Joe
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Whatever
If anyone would like to judge for themselves what Disclosure Project is about best not to listen to any words exchanged between me and Joe (this is purely personal) - if you would like to what what DP is about then best to listen to the man himself - Here is the latest interview with Dr Greer on a US radio station - please click here - is a very interesting listen :
http://www.charlesgoyette.com/archiv...Charles-03.mp3
Kind Regards
If anyone would like to judge for themselves what Disclosure Project is about best not to listen to any words exchanged between me and Joe (this is purely personal) - if you would like to what what DP is about then best to listen to the man himself - Here is the latest interview with Dr Greer on a US radio station - please click here - is a very interesting listen :
http://www.charlesgoyette.com/archiv...Charles-03.mp3
Kind Regards
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Joe words cannot express what I think about you
Firstly I found this forum before you - you followed me here. Again.
Second if you really wanted to engage in an intelligent debate you would not have removed me from your lists a year ago because my views differed from your own.
Third you are an argumentative and silly little man and I have not forgotten about you.
I say HAARP 9-11 and UFOs are all related - EVERYTHING IS RELATED!! - becuase they are projects of the same control group and lies to humanity. You thought otherwise and removed me from your list and then proceeded to follow me and my friends around the web slandering us every opportunity you get.
At least DP and UKFFD is trying to help humanity - I remember being forwarded a message you wrote shortly after 7/7:
"Please do not send messages of sympathy into the ufologyinuk forum for the victims of 7/7 and their families. If you want to talk about them join another group."
So is this kind of attitude what makes you so much better than I??
Screw you Joe - I know exactly what you are - and I picture you looking like the comic guy from the simpsons - am I right??
If only people in here knew YOUR true colours. I'm not going to go out of my way to find you, but I look forward to it. Are you having fun following me around - getting a kick out of trying to wind me up?
Pathetic
Second if you really wanted to engage in an intelligent debate you would not have removed me from your lists a year ago because my views differed from your own.
Third you are an argumentative and silly little man and I have not forgotten about you.
I say HAARP 9-11 and UFOs are all related - EVERYTHING IS RELATED!! - becuase they are projects of the same control group and lies to humanity. You thought otherwise and removed me from your list and then proceeded to follow me and my friends around the web slandering us every opportunity you get.
At least DP and UKFFD is trying to help humanity - I remember being forwarded a message you wrote shortly after 7/7:
"Please do not send messages of sympathy into the ufologyinuk forum for the victims of 7/7 and their families. If you want to talk about them join another group."
So is this kind of attitude what makes you so much better than I??
Screw you Joe - I know exactly what you are - and I picture you looking like the comic guy from the simpsons - am I right??
If only people in here knew YOUR true colours. I'm not going to go out of my way to find you, but I look forward to it. Are you having fun following me around - getting a kick out of trying to wind me up?
Pathetic
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hello "J",
I am guessing that you are either talking about shuttle mission footage from either STS48 or STS75. All that I can offer you are a couple of web links presenting both sides of the argument.
STS48:
You can find the most impressive segment of the footage at the following links:
http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/videoclips/sts48.qt
(quicktime version)
http://www.thewhyfiles.net/shuttlevi...0-%20sts48.wmv
(wmv version)
The following link provides an UFO interpretation of the footage (event #2 relates directly to the footage linked above):
http://www.mufor.org/sts48-3.html
and also:
http://www.williamson-labs.com/ufo-aa.htm
For a sceptical explanation of the footage, visit:
http://www.debunker.com/texts/sts48_ufo.html
STS75:
This was the famous "Tether" or "Smoking gun" footage. Clips from it can be viewed here:
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicsg.html
together with an uncharacteristically (but no less welcomed) balanced description of the video and possible explanation.
If you search for "STS48" and "STS75", you will find many more sites discussing the footage. Personally I am satisfied with the mundane explanations offered.
Regards,
Joe
I am guessing that you are either talking about shuttle mission footage from either STS48 or STS75. All that I can offer you are a couple of web links presenting both sides of the argument.
STS48:
You can find the most impressive segment of the footage at the following links:
http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/videoclips/sts48.qt
(quicktime version)
http://www.thewhyfiles.net/shuttlevi...0-%20sts48.wmv
(wmv version)
The following link provides an UFO interpretation of the footage (event #2 relates directly to the footage linked above):
http://www.mufor.org/sts48-3.html
and also:
http://www.williamson-labs.com/ufo-aa.htm
For a sceptical explanation of the footage, visit:
http://www.debunker.com/texts/sts48_ufo.html
STS75:
This was the famous "Tether" or "Smoking gun" footage. Clips from it can be viewed here:
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicsg.html
together with an uncharacteristically (but no less welcomed) balanced description of the video and possible explanation.
If you search for "STS48" and "STS75", you will find many more sites discussing the footage. Personally I am satisfied with the mundane explanations offered.
Regards,
Joe
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3 Tornados from RAF Laarbruch 5/11/90 1800Z
A Dutch group have appealed for assistance in respect of a sighting over Ypenburg MC6 FL270 Hdg 100 on 5/11/90. Some details, including a recording of the conversation between the a/c and Dutch MIL ATC is available at:
http://www.ufonet.nl/nieuws/tornado/index2.html
I am also in posession of a signal from West Drayton to MODUK AIR with a few more details on it.
If anyone can provide any more information about this incident, please email me at:
joe.mcgonagle@[dumpthisspamtrapandreplaceitwith]ntlworld.com
Alternatively, please get in touch with the Dutch investigation team at:
http://www.ufonet.nl/contact/uk/
Details will be treated in confidence.if required.
Regards,
Joe
http://www.ufonet.nl/nieuws/tornado/index2.html
I am also in posession of a signal from West Drayton to MODUK AIR with a few more details on it.
If anyone can provide any more information about this incident, please email me at:
joe.mcgonagle@[dumpthisspamtrapandreplaceitwith]ntlworld.com
Alternatively, please get in touch with the Dutch investigation team at:
http://www.ufonet.nl/contact/uk/
Details will be treated in confidence.if required.
Regards,
Joe
