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brutale 14th Dec 2011 23:22

Should I stay or should I go ?
 
Hey guys,
I new on this network and I hope in posting in correct sub-forum.

I attracted to flying and I`m chasing idea of being a pilot for years, because I cannot afford it regularly. I was very patient and this year I managed to get scholarship in one Middle Eastern school. I passed entry exam and I was ready to go for it.
Then shocking news, school is not JAA approved but they told me different before coming. Since I`m from Europe, I suppose then I wont get much credit for non-JAA ( or EASA whatever ) licence in my country.
Other stressful thing about it is a fact that I simply can`t go anywhere else, almost all of you are familiar with fact that getting scholarship is ******* hard...

I having headaches for weeks trying to come up with solution.. My passion ( some call it heart ) is pulling me in plane, but my brain is not letting me.. Because there is no way that I could live in ME more then few years..


PLEASE HELP ME, what should I do... go for it no matter the licence.. or kiss it and leave it while I still can..

p.s. I really dont want to mention name of school or company because those guys are monitoring this forum from time to time :D

kaptn 14th Dec 2011 23:41

I think it's in the ME where you'll get really paied later on...I would think twice if you can find a job over there.

brutale 14th Dec 2011 23:47

I`m 20, I will be 22 when I finish my course so I guess thats good.. I could go for 5 year contract and obviously I would be 27 then.. I will save SOME money, and return home.. where I`m not a pilot :) Then what.. I so afraid of that..

Staying in ME any longer is not an option for me.. I dont have anything against ME, but i dont see my self there for life.. I want to live in my city and to have family there..

I`m afraid that I cant save enough and that I will HAVE to stay there even longer which is unfortunately life death sentence to me...

brutale 15th Dec 2011 23:51

advice.. please .. somebody ??

i have to make decision in few days

mad_jock 16th Dec 2011 07:34

An ICAO license is good for transfer although you will have to shell out for exams etc.

You can start a JAR commercial course with a ICAO ppl.

So if your PPL and 150 hours your in the same position as everyone else as hours count what ever the reg you do them in.

Personally i would get the lic then have plans to transfer it later. GCAA isn't a bad one to have.

paco 16th Dec 2011 09:09

What's wrong with the ME? I think you'll find it will grow on you.....

And if by schoilarship you mean someone is paying for your training I would grab it with both hands. Destiny works in mysterious ways sometimes.

mad_jock 16th Dec 2011 09:55

What's wrong with the ME?


What's wrong with the ME?
Its a ****e hole and is changing for the worst for expats.

zondaracer 16th Dec 2011 10:20


I want to live in my city and tpo have family there..
Well good luck with that. Most folks I know in Aviation have had to relocate at least once for one reason or another. I do have two friends who were able to fly for an airline in their home town but the settled with the lowest paying operator.

brutale 16th Dec 2011 14:53

I have heard rumors that transfering licence is almost immpossible, and if possible its pain in ass...

I know that this job requires relocating from town to town or form country to country.. Honestly I wouldnt mind to work anywhere in Europe, even in far East.. but ME is place where cannot live.. you can just stay there few years to earn some money.. Im concerned what later.. i will finish my contract at age of 28 and then what.. obviously i still have 30-40 years of life left.. then what.. with invalid licence.. :s

help help help

SloppyJoe 16th Dec 2011 15:24

You need to give more info.

If it is a free course with an employment contract afterwards for 5 years. You would be mad to turn it down, you won't get a better offer.

If it is a free course and you hope to find employment afterwards. You would be mad to turn it down, you won't get a better offer.

If you are paying for the course and expect that afterwards you will be able to work as a low time pilot in the ME. Are you mad!

Rather than getting frustrated about people not answering your question to your liking why not spend the time doing a bit of research. You will find that an ICAO license is not useless if you move country. Will you get multi crew time, will it be in a jet etc etc etc. If this is your passion why do you know so little about it?

flying.monkeyz 16th Dec 2011 15:36

Don't worry about not seeing yourself living in ME... once you're accepted into the airlines, especially those long haul ones, you're hardly at home anyway. Probably find yourself more often in Europe!

rmcb 16th Dec 2011 15:55

You are being given the opportunity to learn to fly for free. What is the problem?

Aircraft fly the same the world over.

Grasp it, do it!

zondaracer 16th Dec 2011 17:04

A license conversion is not impossible. It can be expensive and a pain, but not more of a pain than for anyone else who got a JAA license.

Poeli 16th Dec 2011 17:10

You should go to a doctor. Take this chance with your both hands dude, no matter where in the world it is:ugh:

zondaracer 16th Dec 2011 20:17

What does the scholarship include? Does it cover all flight training or part of the training? Do you have to give anything in return?

Piltdown Man 16th Dec 2011 21:52

I can't see what the problem is. You say you want to fly and these people will pay for the training and give you a job. Is your heart really in flying? Unless you are rich you don't have a choice. This is a no brainer. Furthermore, if you can't work this out by yourself you really should be looking at a different career.

brutale 16th Dec 2011 23:01

I managed to get scholarship that covers training costs, accommodation and food. They are not asking me for any favor after finishing school.
So answer to your question is : i`m not paying school and I dont have job guarantee. Still I have to pay for some of mine living costs and plane tickets back home(which is less important ).

Course includes exactly same modules as JAA approved schools do.. so its 14 subjects.. and fATPL, ME, IR/SE, IR/ME and MCC. After finishing school I will have around 180-200 hours on SE and around 40 hours of ME.

I think that I`m well informed, and my biggest fear is getting job.. I heard that big gulf companies such as Etihad, Emirates and Qatar Airways wont take pilot without at least 1500 hours. And without any income I cant afford luxury of sitting somewhere for months and months waiting for any kind of job.

Please understand my situation, if I could maintain same living standard in ME while studying as I have home.. I would go without thinking. But if I spend my parents savings and 2 years of my life studying something that I wont be able to use.... well that would probably be irresponsible move..


And thank you guys so much for your time. ;)

zondaracer 16th Dec 2011 23:42

Don't do it. Let somebody else have the scholarship who will really appreciate it.

brutale 17th Dec 2011 00:27

@zondaracer, I would say exactly same few month ago to somebody asking this as you said to me now..
However, leaving home and going 5000km away for period of 7 years is easier said then done.. You have to understand me, I`m going through tough period and for me this is a huge move. We I came here I had all motivation in the world, I scored above 90% at every exam AND then information about licence hit me like a lightning ( because they told that they are JAA approved ).
Even some instructors are telling me "you are stuck here" all the time which is veryy veryyy depressing...

SFI145 17th Dec 2011 03:26

You will be certain to get a job with Teahid once you learn how to spell it.


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