FSB - Flight School Berlin /MCC course
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FSB - Flight School Berlin /MCC course
Hi everybody!
I am a few weeks away from MCC and have started to look at places who offers this. I am leaning towards doing it on a Fixed 737-sim to get a upper hand when it comes to potential future assessments but also see a point in doing it on a older, "clock based" sim such as the BE-200 offered by FSB.
1) Have anyone used FSB for their MCC, either on the B737 or the BE-200? If so, what are your thoughts?
2) Some people consider the MCC to be little more than three letters in your license. For those of you with jobs, would you consider this to be true or am I better prepared for a assesment if I've done it in a modern 737-environment?
Many thanks!
I am a few weeks away from MCC and have started to look at places who offers this. I am leaning towards doing it on a Fixed 737-sim to get a upper hand when it comes to potential future assessments but also see a point in doing it on a older, "clock based" sim such as the BE-200 offered by FSB.
1) Have anyone used FSB for their MCC, either on the B737 or the BE-200? If so, what are your thoughts?
2) Some people consider the MCC to be little more than three letters in your license. For those of you with jobs, would you consider this to be true or am I better prepared for a assesment if I've done it in a modern 737-environment?
Many thanks!
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I did my MCC with FSB and was very satisfied with them. Instructors mainly from Germania and Air Berlin were quite nice!
My perception is that some people think they are suppose to learn to fly another aircraft during a MCC course. It is all about working together in a multi pilot environment and the BE-200 will do the job absolutely fine.
I am on the B737 now and a lot of my colleagues did a 737 MCC course and said it didn't help them in the assessment as they had to do refresh all the skills again before assessment. So unless you are super lucky and have an assessment straight after your finish MCC I would not worry to much about what type of aircraft you are flying during MCC course. I would rather focus on the school and quality of the instructors.
Best of luck !
My perception is that some people think they are suppose to learn to fly another aircraft during a MCC course. It is all about working together in a multi pilot environment and the BE-200 will do the job absolutely fine.
I am on the B737 now and a lot of my colleagues did a 737 MCC course and said it didn't help them in the assessment as they had to do refresh all the skills again before assessment. So unless you are super lucky and have an assessment straight after your finish MCC I would not worry to much about what type of aircraft you are flying during MCC course. I would rather focus on the school and quality of the instructors.
Best of luck !
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I did my JOC with them. Had a good instructor from AeroLogic. Remained very content with the course and the school.
As mentioned above, no point to do the MCC on B373. I did mine on Be200 (not FSB) and eventually got the job on a turboprop.
As mentioned above, no point to do the MCC on B373. I did mine on Be200 (not FSB) and eventually got the job on a turboprop.
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How about the price for the MCC course at FSB (on the BE200) and the duration of the course. Can it be done in a week? Where did you guys stay, are there any affordable rooms in the vicinity and how did you get to the school, is a rental car required?
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When I was there (2015), the MCC was 1680€ (BE200) and JOC 1050€ (B737). Duration was 8 days for MCC and 2 days for JOC.
They do provide accommodation on sight, at the airfield for 52€/night.
From Berlin took the train to Trebbin (4.20€ one way), then local bus is running till the Schönhagen airfield bus station (cca 1.80€) and then about 10 minutes walking till the school.
They do provide accommodation on sight, at the airfield for 52€/night.
From Berlin took the train to Trebbin (4.20€ one way), then local bus is running till the Schönhagen airfield bus station (cca 1.80€) and then about 10 minutes walking till the school.
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I did my MCC at FSB 2 weeks ago and here are some impressions:
The train from Berlin to Schönhagen one-way now costs 8,40€. I had to take a taxi (15€) from the train station in Trebbin since the bus only runs if you call a day in advance and reserve a route. Same thing from the airfield into Trebbin. Basically, useless. I stayed at the airfield and a room (comfortable, clean, well maintained) costs 43€/night without breakfast. All rooms have a mini-fridge, so you can go into Trebbin (more on that later) and get food. If you come from a large city, you will notice at night that it is VERY quiet at the airfield.
Started the same day that I arrived and we went over the set-up, where the sim is, get to know each other, etc. You receive all the course material so no need to study in advance like I did. Does nothing for your results. The 5 sim sessions (4 hours each: 2h PM, 2h PF) were HOT HOT HOT since it was 35°C outside during the day and the B200 sim does not have a/c, only a fan that blows warm air on your legs. We had three instructors: one for the intro and 3 sim sessions, one for the CRM part, and a third for the last session including exam. All competant and experienced.
What is critical to do well is not only read the manual with call-outs, but to practice after hours with your partner. Unfortunately, mine let after the mandatory hours and I was left a bit hanging. The school has a "dry run" practice cockpit where you can go over procedures after hours. Alone makes a bit of sense (which I did), but practicing with your number two is much better.
The Beech sim is an older Elite (which I knew from my SEP IR as a single) without a FMC or GPS meaning all old school, raw data flying, kiddies. All SIDs are fairly easy, and be prepared for nothing but missed approaches with the first approach being a ILS and degrading each time until NDBs. The autopilot's microswitches are pretty worn out meaning the "ARM" button only works if you press the lower right corner. Also, the twist dial for ALTITUDE and RATE OF CLIMB is fairlly hooped, too. You will be flying an NDB approach with 700 ft/min and need to increase to 800, one click of the dial and you are now 1400 ft/min.! Ouch. You fly the whole time with the A/P anyways and you get use to its "challenges".
The resturant at the airfield is good and priced "normally" for Germany. The pizza is totally tasteless (dough, sause, toppings) though, but everything else I tried there was really enjoyable. When I was there, no paying with Eurocard or credit card -> cash only and no ATM in sight.
Getting into Trebbin for food or whatever is easy with a car rental from app2drive. Register yourself a few days in advance and with a rental car into Trebbin and back for about an hour only costs 5€. Nothing to see in Trebbin except for grocery stores, anyways. The airfield also rents bikes, if you are so inclined. Trebbin is about 7 km away from the airfield.
The train from Berlin to Schönhagen one-way now costs 8,40€. I had to take a taxi (15€) from the train station in Trebbin since the bus only runs if you call a day in advance and reserve a route. Same thing from the airfield into Trebbin. Basically, useless. I stayed at the airfield and a room (comfortable, clean, well maintained) costs 43€/night without breakfast. All rooms have a mini-fridge, so you can go into Trebbin (more on that later) and get food. If you come from a large city, you will notice at night that it is VERY quiet at the airfield.
Started the same day that I arrived and we went over the set-up, where the sim is, get to know each other, etc. You receive all the course material so no need to study in advance like I did. Does nothing for your results. The 5 sim sessions (4 hours each: 2h PM, 2h PF) were HOT HOT HOT since it was 35°C outside during the day and the B200 sim does not have a/c, only a fan that blows warm air on your legs. We had three instructors: one for the intro and 3 sim sessions, one for the CRM part, and a third for the last session including exam. All competant and experienced.
What is critical to do well is not only read the manual with call-outs, but to practice after hours with your partner. Unfortunately, mine let after the mandatory hours and I was left a bit hanging. The school has a "dry run" practice cockpit where you can go over procedures after hours. Alone makes a bit of sense (which I did), but practicing with your number two is much better.
The Beech sim is an older Elite (which I knew from my SEP IR as a single) without a FMC or GPS meaning all old school, raw data flying, kiddies. All SIDs are fairly easy, and be prepared for nothing but missed approaches with the first approach being a ILS and degrading each time until NDBs. The autopilot's microswitches are pretty worn out meaning the "ARM" button only works if you press the lower right corner. Also, the twist dial for ALTITUDE and RATE OF CLIMB is fairlly hooped, too. You will be flying an NDB approach with 700 ft/min and need to increase to 800, one click of the dial and you are now 1400 ft/min.! Ouch. You fly the whole time with the A/P anyways and you get use to its "challenges".
The resturant at the airfield is good and priced "normally" for Germany. The pizza is totally tasteless (dough, sause, toppings) though, but everything else I tried there was really enjoyable. When I was there, no paying with Eurocard or credit card -> cash only and no ATM in sight.
Getting into Trebbin for food or whatever is easy with a car rental from app2drive. Register yourself a few days in advance and with a rental car into Trebbin and back for about an hour only costs 5€. Nothing to see in Trebbin except for grocery stores, anyways. The airfield also rents bikes, if you are so inclined. Trebbin is about 7 km away from the airfield.
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Sorry, but...
Who goes for a sxitty FSB in Trebbin-Schönhagen when there are much better schools in Berlin, Essen or Mönchengladbach?
I'm a fan of standard MCC's but you chose the worst option out there. Good luck for later
I'm a fan of standard MCC's but you chose the worst option out there. Good luck for later
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