FAA to EASA/JAA conversion PiC time?
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FAA to EASA/JAA conversion PiC time?
Hi guys , Some international pilot student get their FAA/PPL at least 100 hours in USA , to conversion FAA to EASA or JAA need to 100 hour PIC for conversion(i am not sure) ,so my question is IR traning is counting as PIC in usa(I am not sure) but after I get FAA CPL , How they count PIC time for conversation in EASA or JAA country ? Should we fly more for PIC time ( more than 250 hour if we think to get ppl more than 100 hour) ? I couldnt understand about difference bewtween FAA/EASA PIC time , and i am scared of spend more money for extra PIC. thanks for your all answers.
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why do you want to have 100h time PIC for conversion never heard of that, and based on what? then if you are not instrument rated and flying in real instrument condition on training with your instructor you can't have these times as PIC, but if you fly under VFR conditions and training with your instructor then you can log then as PIC times. All your logged times a PIC count doesn't matter you did that under FAA or EASA. So everything logged as PIC under FAA training is PIC for other licenses too. and for your information you are better spending money on time building under FAA license (real IFR are better), because FAA and EASA are working together and FAA license and EASA license will be compatible. FAA issued an A/C about that and weirdly nothing been issued here in Europe......
Ok, if you're talking about converting from FAA to EASA.. EASA log PIC differently to the FAA.
Under the FAA system you can log PIC without actually being the legal PIC.
Under EASA, you can only log PIC if you were the legal PIC.
So for an instrument training flight with your instructor you can log FAA PIC and dual, but EASA would not recognise this as PIC because you weren't the legal PIC. You can log dual, or PIC but not both (unless it's pocus!)
Under the FAA system you can log PIC without actually being the legal PIC.
Under EASA, you can only log PIC if you were the legal PIC.
So for an instrument training flight with your instructor you can log FAA PIC and dual, but EASA would not recognise this as PIC because you weren't the legal PIC. You can log dual, or PIC but not both (unless it's pocus!)
Don't overthink it:
FAA - any flight with an instructor can be logged PIC (if you're rated in the airplane)
EASA - any flight with an instructor CAN NOT be logged PIC
There are some additional nuances but that's the big picture.
FAA - any flight with an instructor can be logged PIC (if you're rated in the airplane)
EASA - any flight with an instructor CAN NOT be logged PIC
There are some additional nuances but that's the big picture.
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FAA - any flight with an instructor can be logged PIC (if you're rated in the airplane)
FAR Part §61.51 Pilot Logbook (e) Logging PIC time
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...1_151&rgn=div8
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As far as the original poster is concerned, under EASA it's either in one column or the other. I have an FAA logbook, so for EASA purposes, I do TOTAL - DUAL = PIC
Being a US/FAA flight instructor myself, I don't agree with "any flight with an instructor can be logged as PIC". Basically one must hold at least a FAA PPL and must be current in the appropriate class and category of aircraft in order to log PIC time. During PPL training the student pilot can log solo time as PIC time. After obtaining the PPL the pilot can log PIC time even with a flight instructor aboard as long as the pilot is current and the flight takes place in the appropriate class and category for which the pilot is certified.
FAR Part §61.51 Pilot Logbook (e) Logging PIC time
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...1_151&rgn=div8
FAR Part §61.51 Pilot Logbook (e) Logging PIC time
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...1_151&rgn=div8
Thank you for repeating.
Transsonic 2000,
No, while that is sufficient it is not necessary. BN2N's statement was the correct one. The critical condition he stated was "if you're rated in the airplane" [should be aircraft] which agrees with the rule at 61.51(e)(1)(i). That is, holders of sport and recreational certificates which are endorsed for the appropriate aircraft may also log PIC when acting as the sole manipulator of the controls.
Re nuances, the Speranza 2009 interpretation from the Office of the Chief Counsel for the FAA is worth reviewing.
Basically one must hold at least a FAA PPL...
Re nuances, the Speranza 2009 interpretation from the Office of the Chief Counsel for the FAA is worth reviewing.
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@ selfin:
that's why I wrote "basically one must hold at least a FAA PPL"! Of course there are exceptions to this rule, e.g. 61.51 (d) and (e) We're dealing with two different systems/regulations here (FAA and EASA) and two different ways to log PIC time, but let's stop it here, since it doesn't make any sense to get into an endless and pointless conversation.
that's why I wrote "basically one must hold at least a FAA PPL"! Of course there are exceptions to this rule, e.g. 61.51 (d) and (e) We're dealing with two different systems/regulations here (FAA and EASA) and two different ways to log PIC time, but let's stop it here, since it doesn't make any sense to get into an endless and pointless conversation.
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The requirements for PPL (A) conversion from FAA (ICAO) to EASA are quite high. Firstly you must have 100 hours logged, you'll also need to do a EASA class 2 medical, repeat the Air Law and Human Factors exams and undergo some training for the SEP rating and redo your check ride.
Generally speaking when you are under instruction the hours can't be classified as PIC which makes sense. How could you be the PIC of an aircraft for which you don't yet have a rating. That said as far as I know the 100 hours are not PIC hours, just logged hours.
Generally speaking when you are under instruction the hours can't be classified as PIC which makes sense. How could you be the PIC of an aircraft for which you don't yet have a rating. That said as far as I know the 100 hours are not PIC hours, just logged hours.
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Make sure you 100% have a job in this crap airline industry (which btw won't happen) of today before you do expensive conversions like that.
The best thing that ever happened to me was not to give in to this crap, work in the IT industry now, much more free time, earning more and when I go back to the US on holidays, I rent planes for affordable prices and do some real flying without the hassle of dumb low ass EU flight corridors etc (the ones for no reason except you being forced to ditch if flying single-engine)....
Good luck with your endeavors !
The best thing that ever happened to me was not to give in to this crap, work in the IT industry now, much more free time, earning more and when I go back to the US on holidays, I rent planes for affordable prices and do some real flying without the hassle of dumb low ass EU flight corridors etc (the ones for no reason except you being forced to ditch if flying single-engine)....
Good luck with your endeavors !
