Professional Pilot Training (includes ground studies)A forum for those on the steep path to that coveted professional licence. Whether studying for the written exams, training for the flight tests or building experience here's where you can hang out.
It's called supply and demand. Lots of newly qualified low-hour pilots all seeking jobs (and accepting ever lower terms and conditions) means airlines can get away with paying less. There is money to be made, but it will take quite a few years, and some luck, to work your way up from FO in a JetStream to P1 in a flag carrier widebody with the potential to get your hands on 6 figure salary.
You are getting a hard time on here and no wonder. It was only 3 months ago you were looking for a school to start training. We had a chat about a scottish FTO and you seemed quite mature and had were keen on taking advice, now you just seem to think you know it all after 3 months and its obviously upsetting people. Think this thread should go back onto topic. you are only 16, and people take that into consideration, but most these people have a lot more life and flying experience so I would take it on board.
You don't have an opinion on Modular or Integrated, you haven't done either one of them.
You said a couple of weeks ago that:
- Integrated courses were easier than Modular courses
- You didn't like it when people wanted to go straight into airline flying
- Instructors who only instruct to build hours aren't as good as dedicated instructors.
How would you know? You don't even have your PPL yet.
Don't get me wrong, when I was 16 years old I thought I knew everything as well. I thought I knew the RAF back to front because I was an air cadet however you get a real nasty shock when you meet someone who has been in the forces for over 20 years.
Sit back, relax and absorb the knowledge from the people who have done it. If people do make mistakes, learn from them and don't do it
Rite people enouf of the argueing goin on... There was a topic and people placed opinion from all ages and descriptions and with different languages. Daria,,,english is not my first language either,,, irish is (Gaelic) and it took me ages to get used to this.....i know how hardit is...
Fair play that you feel strongly about different ways of doing things and opinions in general... Im starting integrated this october,,, but its just the way i want to do it... Although i already have a ppl.
People on this forum shod stop thinkn they are somebody.... If older more experienced pilots have advice,,, they shod pass it on with a nice touch rather than bark it across the forum thinking that nobody knows anything. I think i speak for most people when i say that advice is greatly appreciated form all people provided that it is provided in a proper way...
Everybody is entitled to an opinion the matter what... If somebody asks a question for a topic, stick to the topic at hand rather than going of on a tangent. Recently i posted a toopic about a hsbc loan but then all of a sudden i was barked at for even thinking of doing flight training in the first place at this economic time.
Best of luck in your training all wannabes....(the matter what way it is undertaken)
That will be flightless falcon who is shown as having his first post but... complains about reactions to his previous post
Daria, my yong friend, you are in grave danger of puting your aviation aspirations in danger here in Scotland.
It will not take a genious to work out who the 16 year old who is starting a ppl at Tayside and, who's first language is not english... just happens to be!!!!!
Scotland is a very tight aviation comunity and you are not making a fantastic impression on it ...despite your young and somewhat nieve view of the industry,
I know just about every instructor here, and I can say that without exception that hour building instructors are passionate about flying and passing on that experience....even the Spanish ones!!
Those of us that now fly TP's or even 'shiny jets' as you put it, put our lfe and soul into our time instructing at the various Scottish schools and,... they are all good, despite your blinkered view on them.... they are, of course, only as good as their instructors.
Be warned... your posts are becoming the brunt of many a chortle amongst the mature flying comunity here in scotland.
May I suggest yet another change of PPRuNe name and a more balanced and informed attitude to the modular v integrated route.
There are arguments for both but you are clearly not qualified to make the sweeping generalisations which you state as fact!
Start again with a more open attitude and you will learn here, and do well
I agree with Clear Prop and thats exactly why I'm trying to tell you to calm down with the opinions. The majority of airlines/flying clubs and instructors all look on these forums it wouldn't be hard for them to spot you.
Excuse my ignorance, but I was under the understanding that all of Ireland spoke english as a first language? Or they have developed the two languages at the same time?
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Daria, aviation is a small world and it's very easy to identify posters here in real life; you only need to let a few clues slip and your cover is blown! Also, quite a few people on here will know each other in real life and can easily talk in the background. If people make the connexion, then their treatment of you may change!
Whilst most people here appreciate you don't wish to offend and that you have your opinions (to which you have every right!), what is upsetting the fellow ppruners is an attitude of refusing to accept another point of view and I don't think that is down to language barriers. I'm afraid you don't know a lot about your chosen route; you know some things but not "a lot". The sooner you can grasp that there is much much more to learn, not just about flying but the aviation industry as a whole (and real life in all honesty), then the quicker you will get on. I apologize if this sounds patronizing - all I'm suggesting is that you keep an open mind!
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all of ireland does not speak english and their first language
Even in the 21st Century? I thought that even the Gaeltacht areas were dying and English had pretty much taken over, especially with the under-25s. Not doubting, just curious and keen to see the language alive still!
yes the language was dying but it is coming bk to alot of areas esp in the north....
Im from ireland myself, the north....A location referred to as Doire....(Derry)
I do hope the language returns in full swing which i reckon it is...
Bk to the topic at hand,, im goin integrated myself at cabair in oct/nov course. Was just wondering if the numbers are dropping of in couurses due to the economic climate...
I know its a bad time to train but no one will change my mind about this... Just curious what a impact it has had.
From what I've been told, from my friends who live in Derry and other areas of Ireland is that English is taught to them as a first language regardless of what you were brought up by and you can learn Irish at the same time.
I would love to learn Gaelic. However I don't visit the highlands enough
Daria thats a much better response than your previous, I'm not saying shut up and don't come out with opinions but when you do just watch you don't upset others or come across as a know it all.
Preduk.... I went to the irish school for primary school so it wod be (or at least it was) my first language...I do speak english now as a first....tho...
Whirlwg you never know..... in sinkin a few guinness watchin the Football.... moving swiftly on the the Bound 4 Boston to play abita pool....
I ticked 'wannabe' but the more i think about it the more i could say i was a pilot (well half a pilot) am sure many people are it the same boat ie completed Solo & first solo X country, so i have the skill set to take off navigate and land a plane Solo, but i never sat the Skills test so can't legaly be a pilot.
For what its worth i`m nether pilot or wannabee, but i do have an interest as an ex aircraft engineer. My experience of flying was of endless hours of boredom looking out of windows at sea or cloud and occasionally the odd field or two, but at least sat down at the back i could have a beer or two and in the old days a fag as well.
I do however take my hat off to those who have to endure 13 hour sectors (be it flying or resting) looking out at nothing much or not being able to sleep and sending your body clocks all to bollocks as well you must all have the patience of a saint, even more so if you are a smoker.
The pilots i know all say it isnt as glamourous as it appears, and i can believe it, but each to their own and if thats what you enjoy then good look to you.
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