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I am trying to decide on the best Flight School I can get for my money and growth... I don't have a 4 years degree, But I do have plenty of experience in Flight operations/aviation...
So I would like to know what my best option would be that could be very beneficial for a career type aviation. I am looking into Flight Safety International in Vero Beach FL or Riverside Flight Center in Tulsa, OK...
anybody giving or has given the spicejet or kingfisher or indigo cadet pilot exam. I am really interested in knowing what happens during this exam. I am going to give mine soon.
I think you all are missing the obvious here!!! PPL stands for Private Pilots License!!
yes that does mean the CAA provide you with a pilots license! OK it's not a Commercial license with and IR! but it does make those who pass pilots! as my good friend who flies a 7X will tell you....It's mind numbing sitting behind the controls for 9hrs when you're actually only controlling it for 1!!!!
The pricipals of flight between the two are strikingly similar!
conclusion!! if i can fly my PA28 from Leeds to Jersey i am flying....through the same airspace, talking to the same controllers....just moving a bit slower than you commercial boys! i'm using the same VOR/NDB and ILS beacons.....stop talking so much crap and get your heads out your arses!!!
Kinda sums up why so many wannabe airline pilots (especially the ones who don't even have a PPL yet) are complete dickheads. All talk, no action, and usually from a completely uneducated perspective.
The CPL skills test is simply a PPL skills test, but with slightly tighter standards. Big deal.
Any PPL can get an IR. Yes, it's EXACTLY the same IR all you elite airline wannabees have got (or more likely HAVEN'T got).
ATPL exams? Not particularly difficult, just time consuming.
Certain people need to remove their heads from their arseholes.
I love how you've said that all airline pilots do is put the auto-pilot on. It's about the third or fourth time now. You are not a pilot, you cannot comment on what an airline pilot does until you have tried it.
A lot of people not only like flying, but like:
Managing the aircraft
Working in a team (2 or 3/4 man crews aswell as cabin crew)
Working with advanced technology
Operating advanced systems
Call me sad, but I also like aircraft themselves, and I bet I'm not alone in this. It is for these reasons that people like to fly for airlines, it's not all about flying, it's more than that. Don't be so fast to put people down just because they fly airliners. Everyone has to learn from the bottom up, and so people who fly airliners have been through the same basic training as everyone else, it's not fair to dismiss them as button pushers and you actually show ignorance in saying that they are.
A PPL holder is a Pro-Pilot wannabee - yes! end of
simple as that.
Daria Ox,
Why do you always resort back to ur same arguments?? come up with something new for gods sake!! you say almost the same thing in every single thread you post!!
I think many of you wannabes are up for a shock. Airline flying is not as easy as many of you seem to think. Even with 500 hours on jets you are considered to be relatively junior.
My first time posting on this thread and having read a few previous posts, I just have to comment on the wannabe airline pilot thing.
Firstly, I have to agree somewhat with Daria Ox. Yes, get some flying experience. Plus for a future employer, they most likely love to see pilots with lots of 'extra' experience. Gives them substance.
One of my good friends who now flies an airbus used to fly night charter in Oz. Flying different aircraft all over, into all sorts of airfields, even helping out other charters that had a aircraft on tech. Some of his stories are incredible.
For me, yes I would have love to have his experience, but I'm 33 and do want to get into an airline. I've not masses of hours under a PPL and would like to experience some great flights but have little time...chances are I'll have to fly lots more before even contemplating an airline.
This same friend of mine once told me this about low hour fATPL pilots wanting to get into an airline...Sitting in a cockpit of a jet airliner, one of the first things low hour piston pilots face is no engine noise. Most of us PPLs at least subtly depend on the engine noise to know what the aircraft is doing. Stick this same pilot in a jet, becomes very different.
A ton of other reasons too especially with the airbus and using the side stick..new guy no jet experience moves his side stick to the right, captains stays central! Not like being a cessna or warrior with dual control columns that move together. Probably the same in the boeing actually with dual controls. Captain can control inputs.
Experience is the key (sadly for me too).
The reason I want to fly jets...well I love flying yes, but when your airline mates meet up with you with their cameras, different countries each week, seeing from inside the cockpit during take off and landing, kinda gives you a real buzz. I'm sure most flights do end up dull when auto pilot is engaged but it beats the hell out of stuck in the same office in the same town, same people blah blah blah.
I can see some illusions will be shattered eventually. Some of you seem to have the impression that airline flying is 'easy'. Please don't be confused, it only looks easy. In reality a couple of pilots with multiples of thousands of hours on jets will go through the duties with the kind of practised ease that comes with experience. Do not confuse that with 'easy', I don't fly airlines yet, but I have had non pilots watch me fly. Their impression too is that my job is easy. Indeed sometimes I think it too. But it's a false impression. It took a lot of time and money for me to reach the point where I make it look easy. Watching a sweating student pilot sometimes would cure of the easy notion.
So daria, don't be fooled. On the other hand I agree with you on the point of getting some interesting flying before going onto the airlines. I have become irritated lately with some of the wannabees whose only goal is the left seat of an airliner. The type of flying I do is real hands on flying and great fun. It doesn't pay the bills very well but it's real old fashioned flying. A couple newly qualified types came by lately. They took one look at the bumpy, dusty strip and the old aeroplane and ran straight back to their Mammies. Good riddance to them. There's no cool uniforms either and they might have broken a nail and then where would they've been?
But at the end of the day, We all need to get the airline job because that's where the money is and it's still a slightly stable career. I have a wife and a child. I enjoy what I do but I need a career not a paid hobby. That's life.
Well said corsair. The thing is, people seem to want to be 'airline pilots' and won't settle for being a 'pilot'. I think people should enter into this game because they want to be pilots and fly aircraft, not because they want a cool uniform and a nice lifestyle.
Saying airline flying is easy having watched seasoned professionals is like saying facing a 90MPH bowler is easy just because top class batsmen make it look so (talking cricket by the way).
For a start daria, you need to either do ATPL theory or CPL theory to be an instructor. You may aswell do ATPL theory if you want to fly for airlines at some stage.
Secondly, stop trying to qualify your way as better than everyone else's. People get straight into airlines - get over it. That's the way the industry works. You can not be a captain at 19 as you have to be 21 to get a full ATPL. Yes, a lot of people don't have a clue what they're on about, and it's annoying. They will soon find out though.
To question someone whether they are a good pilot with 300 hours is silly. People are different and you will find some low hour pilots who are better than some pilots with thousands of hours. Again, this is how things work, people are all different. Just because you've decided on your way doesn't mean that you can discredit others and say they'll be rubbish pilots with low hours just because they were lucky enough to get an airline job straight off.
Yes, some people want to fly big shiny airliners. They will find out it isn't as easy as that. Some people don't research and, frankly, haven't got a clue. If however they go and train and get a job, it's fair enough, They're the ones who are in the interview, and they're the ones giving the airline an good impression of themselves. If you're a nob in the interview it doesn't matter what FTO you've come from, they will just reject you. Simple as.
Just do what you want and get to where you want to be in your own way. Don't discredit others who have done it differently though. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
Although you keep banging on about being only 16 and having time on your side etc etc, you are still very young, and very immature. I can guarantee that in 5 years time you will look back on your posts and cringe. Stop contradicting yourself by telling other people that its okay to do their training however they want, and then slagging off other peoples choices and trying to convince everyone that your chosen route is by far the best.
To be honest, if you have a CPL and FI rating by the time you are 18, which I can only assume is 1 - 2 years away, then I will be very worried as you are clearly very immature, and I can think of noting worse than having a pilot or flight instructor who doesnt even have the capacity to listen to someone elses opinion, or take on board advice without getting offended when more experienced people try to offer it to them.
Good luck with your training. And one more word of advice, try and stop pssing people off with your attitude, as you never know who you might need as a handy contact/reference with your future career plans
Seems some people wnt be affected by the credit crucnh, 16 year olds doing all these ratings.... If i was getn career advice from a sixteen year old,,, i'd start to ask myself some serious questions....
Your method might be right for you daria,,, but that doesnt make it the one right way for everybody....
Advice.... listen to the more experienced people on the forum,,,, it'll get u further than you think.....
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ssing people off with your attitude, as you never know who you might need as a handy contact/reference with your future career plans
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